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09 Aug 2009, 10:59 pm

Have you ever argued with a a friend or co-worker or someone else about any facts or something, and knew that you were right about the facts and the other people thought they were right, but you had the evidence to prove them wrong. I have a couple of examples from my job. I work in a call center where we do outbound calling.

One day they had us dailing on this political campaign. We were calling Illinois residents and asking them for their verbal support to their state legislature to and connecting them with their respective sentor or representative. One of my co-workers though that we asking people to speak to their senators in Washington and not their senators in Springfield just because one of the senator in the Illinois legislature had the same last name as one of the US senators from our home state.

The other thing is that on of the other campaigns that we dial on at work, my friend and I have had disagreements about what our performance goal is. My friend insists that its 1 sale per hour. I know for a fact that its .8 sales per hour. For example the other day at work I had and SPH (sales per hour) of 1.22 and received a certificate for being 152% of goal. If she was right, I would have only been 122% of goal. The goal used to be .7 sales per hour. and I had an SPH of .73. which was 104% of goal. If the goal was 1, how could an SPH of .73 be more than 100%.



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09 Aug 2009, 11:09 pm

I've had this experience. I tend to remember numbers and facts very precisely, and will double-check anything I am not certain of. But people seem not to appreciate this. I took about 30 years to figure this out, correcting teachers in school, sending letters and making calls to publications to let them know about their factual errors, and correcting others in similar situations.

I have learned that most people do not care much about facts. For them, facts get in the way of an opinion they have formed, or a belief they have. Piles of confirmed facts will only rarely change their opinion, and will not be appreciated. I've been told to "shut up" or "f**k off" on several occasions after presenting facts.

I have no good solution for this other than to keep quiet. I can often do that, but my Aspie-ism gets ahead of social judgment, which I lack, and I still make the mistake quite frequently. Fortunately, my work is very fact-oriented, so at least there my ability does not hinder me.



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09 Aug 2009, 11:13 pm

I need to find a fact-oriented job and some fact-oriented friends, because I'm having a hard time dealing with fallout from not understanding implied meanings and making suggestions based on what I understand the facts to be, only to find out later that the person was exaggerating - for what, sympathy? I don't know, but then to have everyone jump my s**t for responding as if the account was factual....

ugh, today is one of those days I shouldn't speak, or even get out of bed.



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09 Aug 2009, 11:36 pm

No, but I am.



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09 Aug 2009, 11:36 pm

My sister tells me that I always have to be right and that isn't true. I don't understand why correcting someone isn't a good thing. I don't "always have to be right" but when someone is saying something false they should be corrected.



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09 Aug 2009, 11:40 pm

I've had this issue before. It's funny because everyone tends to come to me when a question comes up regarding some fact because they know that either I know the correct answer, or can research the topic and find the correct answer. However, even when I am correct (I'm not always...I admit that, as rare as it is... :wink: ), they still doubt it. Here's an example.

A co-worker was convinced that the book Angels and Demons was a sequel to The DaVinci Code. I was convinced of it being the other way around because I had read about it on multiple occassions. She was convinced of her opinion because The DaVinci Code got more press first. So, with me standing there, she looked it up on multiple websites and search engines. On more than one occassion we found the actual publication dates for the respective books showing that Angels and Demons came out first, yet she continued to insist that she was correct for her aforementioned reasons, despite me pointing out that the first book to get press doesn't necessarily mean it's the first book by the author. :wall: I got frustrated and left.

I will hold fast to a fact, but if someone provides contradictory evidence, I will consider it and re-evaluate my position, even change it depending on the nature of the topic at hand and the available evidence. To me that is a characteristic of a logical, rational mind. Silly humans. :roll:



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09 Aug 2009, 11:42 pm

My father used to tell me "you can be right, or you can be damned right; but if your damned right your wrong". Hmmmm.



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09 Aug 2009, 11:51 pm

Oh yeah. Most people hate to lose an argument. So they come up with some ridiculous reason as to why you are wrong and they are right. Or they may take the completely illogical path and simply ignore your evidence. (For example, how many people "believe" that global warming isn't real? Hello idiots it is happening all around you!)

I AM always right. Why? Because I speak out when I know the subject matter, and keep my mouth shut when I don't know enough about the subject, or I just say 'I'm not sure I'll have to look it up'. SIMPLE!



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10 Aug 2009, 12:42 am

Surely Aspies are not always right. That would mean that they never get into arguments, and we all know that simply isn't true.


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10 Aug 2009, 12:43 am

i wish my mum knew that aspies were always right *wink wink* nudge nudge say no more



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10 Aug 2009, 1:50 am

I've had people tell me I always have to be right, and that they hate that.


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10 Aug 2009, 1:53 am

I know I'm wrong sometimes and I admit it, and I also tend not to judge people based on their opinions, unless their opinions fly in the face of factual evidence, and then I judge their opinions rather than their person. we don't have to be right... my AS husband came to me after a major argument over the definition of a word and admitted he'd looked at it in a too narrow-minded fashion and that my understanding of the meaning was actually correct.

I know we're not the easiest people to communicate with, but I also know we can admit when we're wrong... at least in my experience.



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10 Aug 2009, 2:11 am

bhetti wrote:
I know we're not the easiest people to communicate with, but I also know we can admit when we're wrong... at least in my experience.


If you prove me wrong, I'll thank you because you've tought me something.



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10 Aug 2009, 3:13 am

DarrylZero wrote:
I will hold fast to a fact, but if someone provides contradictory evidence, I will consider it and re-evaluate my position, even change it depending on the nature of the topic at hand and the available evidence. To me that is a characteristic of a logical, rational mind. Silly humans. :roll:

I can admit I hate being wrong, that's why I'm not making statements unless I'm sure. If I'm not sertain I always point out very clearly that this is an unconfirmed opinion on my behalf and it might be wrong.

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I AM always right. Why? Because I speak out when I know the subject matter, and keep my mouth shut when I don't know enough about the subject, or I just say 'I'm not sure I'll have to look it up'. SIMPLE!

Hmm... we seem to have another NT-Aspie difference here.


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10 Aug 2009, 3:29 am

Silvervarg wrote:
DarrylZero wrote:
I will hold fast to a fact, but if someone provides contradictory evidence, I will consider it and re-evaluate my position, even change it depending on the nature of the topic at hand and the available evidence. To me that is a characteristic of a logical, rational mind. Silly humans. :roll:

I can admit I hate being wrong, that's why I'm not making statements unless I'm sure. If I'm not sertain I always point out very clearly that this is an unconfirmed opinion on my behalf and it might be wrong.

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I AM always right. Why? Because I speak out when I know the subject matter, and keep my mouth shut when I don't know enough about the subject, or I just say 'I'm not sure I'll have to look it up'. SIMPLE!

Hmm... we seem to have another NT-Aspie difference here.


If I'm not sure of something, I'll say so. I'll often use qualifiers like "probably," "should be," "to the best of my knowledge," "I could be wrong, but..." etc. The problem I have with this approach, as logical and rational as it is, is when people respond by saying it's wishy-washy, or non-committal. They're rarely satisfied with my explanation that I won't commit to a fact unless I'm sure of its accuracy.

If I say something that is factually correct but they don't agree with it, people will say that I always have to be right. If I say I'm uncertain about a fact, people will say I'm being wishy-washy. :wall: :wall: :wall: It makes me want to go live in a cave somewhere.



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10 Aug 2009, 3:38 am

I'm usually on the side of truth but my memory is not as good as it used to be and I don't place much importance on convincing people who are steadfast on some issue.