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21 Aug 2009, 2:37 pm

Did you ever meet any?

I never saw any Aspies that weren't intelligent here on WP or in real life (though I met very few in real life).

We're said to have average intelligence or above average, but I find that maybe we're all (even if only a bit) above average.

What do you think?


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21 Aug 2009, 2:42 pm

I have never really thought about this before, but I have never spoken to any aspies that aren't intelligent. The only thing I can say is that some of us lack common sense, but I don't think that necessarily makes us stupid or silly, so no, I've never spoken to silly aspies.


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21 Aug 2009, 2:44 pm

There are stupid aspies out there just like there are stupid regular people. I have heard of silly aspies because they don't always make any sense and they are also illogical at times. If you go to zomgaspies or I2, there is stupid behavior there. I think they act that way on purpose though.

I can say my ex was stupid because he was too ignorant to listen. He was aspie. Oh yeah there is a stupid aspie on another forum I go to and he seems to like picking fights with me and attack me for no reason and he takes my posts out of context or doesn't really read them because he makes himself look like an idiot and I enjoy pwning him. I wonder if he does this on purpose or is he really that stupid?



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21 Aug 2009, 3:05 pm

But I think all Aspies I've met have an above-average ability to understand things and think and learn. I mean, in the sense that you don't have to explain the same thing to them several times so that they'll get it...


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21 Aug 2009, 3:21 pm

I guess I'm one of those silly aspies then if this is about only needing to be told things once to understand. I have a difficulty time in understanding things that don't make sense and for me to understand things have to make sense. It takes my mother about 20 minutes to explain things to me and something she doesn't have the energy so she doesn't bother to pull me aside and tell me. That's why she didn't tell me at my wedding about the word "cheap." She didn't want to upset me and spend 20-30 minutes of her time explaining the word cheap to me and why it's so bad and she told me she should have told me when it happened and she should have been more clear when she was using the word cheap on herself and my dad wasn't thinking when he said it to me about my aunt and uncle.

Also when people are nasty with me or get rude with me, it makes it harder for me to listen to them and understand so that's why I try to be civil when I explain things to people because being all nasty with them and attacking them for not getting something doesn't make it any better because I would be making it harder for them to listen to me. All they would see is "gee this girl is a b***h" and not even listen to a word I say.



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21 Aug 2009, 3:45 pm

I guess it depends. I need mathematics explained to me several times am I to understand any of it, but I need no explanation of any sort when it comes to understanding social structures, human interaction, language, psychology and communication. I guess that means that I'm quite slow in some fields but very smart in other fields. I know only one or two people who are genuinely intelligent in all fields.



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21 Aug 2009, 4:46 pm

I kind of agree with those that oppose this... my intelligence is not above average. And sometimes people have to explain things to me a lot for me to get them.



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21 Aug 2009, 4:59 pm

I'm only smart in one or two things, and the rest is normal-ish. I think that aspies in general are always to smart for there own good in at least one category and get so logical that it looks like they're silly at one point or another. It's full circle silly that's actually smart. Mind you, the guys can be awfully dense (I've dated a few) even for me, an aspie. It feels weird when I go to aspie/autie meetings and I'm the only female in a room full of guys. I feel like a steak in a yard full of hungry dogs...



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21 Aug 2009, 5:08 pm

Greentea wrote:
But I think all Aspies I've met have an above-average ability to understand things and think and learn. I mean, in the sense that you don't have to explain the same thing to them several times so that they'll get it...


My guess is that this is because a doctor won't give an Aspergers diagnosis unless the person has average or above average IQ. There are probably a lot of doctors who play it safe and want to see an above average IQ. In theory, according to the DSM, you merely have to have an IQ that does not fall in the mental retardation range (which will get you labeled LFA). But I bet in reality, "IQ that does not fall in the mental retardation range" doesn't cut it for a lot of doctors and they want to see scores a fair bit higher before gooing with the Aspergers diagnosis.



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21 Aug 2009, 5:25 pm

Silly side topic

What I mean by silly is sort of a goofy quirk. I can get slap happy in real life, but I am mostly a private person. If I watch a silly TV programme, I can get the giggles, and then I sort of get into a silly mood for a short time after. :P


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21 Aug 2009, 7:29 pm

Oh yes, I love acting dopey, I think stimming is a form of dopey-ness. I like to imitate birds, make funny noises and jump up and down but not in public. Birds are fun in Australia, especially parrots and cockatoos.

An ex of mine (and he is definitely an aspie), once said of me, that I had three main moods:

Aggro (temper)
Dunnit (pleased that I solved some problem)
Dopey (acting silly)

When I was about seven, I had a thing about tablespoons (and only tablespoons with the oval shape). If I wanted to laugh, I would get a spoon, tilt it up at 45 degrees to my face, so that the bowl of the spoon pointed down between my eyes. The sight of the shiny spoon and its reflection would send me into fits of laughter, and would never fail to work.



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21 Aug 2009, 8:22 pm

If somebody is socially ret*d but of otherwise average intelligence, they'll have developmental delays. If a child doesn't pick up on social cues, without at least somewhat above average intelligence in other areas, they'll have delays in speech, won't be able to keep up in school, etc. Since Asperger's specifies that there can't be developmental delays besides the social ones, how would someone who wasn't at least a bit above average intellectually ever fit the criteria?



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21 Aug 2009, 8:25 pm

I am a silly goofball....PDD-NOS/Aspie...
I am very nonsensical and childlike a lot of the time...

Technically I am of above average intelligence though...supposedly...

I do think that acting goofy can def. be a form of stimming.

I walk around and act out with a puppet...I took it on the boat when I went out with my partner Flakey's family..and spent half the time talking through the puppet....and part of the other time playing the ukulele..it was only partially for the amusement of the two young girls who where present..(Flakey's nieces)...but if they had not been along and I had not had the puppet or the uke...I woulda been extremely awkward and quiet.



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21 Aug 2009, 10:15 pm

I am quite child-like at times. I think people only think of me as intelligent because of all my fact-quoting and my love of wanting to learn about things.
What is intelligence anyway? How much you know? How much you are capable of knowing? Or how much academic knowledge you know?


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22 Aug 2009, 1:13 am

idk, i act silly at times. maybe "silly" isn't the word you're looking for?
you seem to be implying "dumb". the two words aren't synonymous.


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22 Aug 2009, 1:23 am

I agree...