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14 Aug 2009, 2:36 pm

This is a forum post from Brassgoggles, a steampunk forum I go on, which I though you all might be interested in:

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Quote from: MS Mischief on Today at 04:39:21 PM
... have no intention of growing up if it means taking a job i hate (been there, done that for 5 years) and dressing "normal" just so that i can be miserable...


Sadly, to many people, this is what "growing up" means. I tend to call it "settling"...settling for the easy way, even if it doesn't have the best payoff in the long run, settling for "being like everyone else", even if it means being miserable...just "settling".

"Growing up" to me means gaining an understanding and acceptance of basic manners and ethics; learning to work hard and defer gratification for the greater good (one's own greater good or someone else's); making intelligent sacrifices for others one cares about or for the things one believes in; finding a way to make or find happiness within the limitations of the real world...the real world as it actually stands, not the "real world" of someone who wants to kill people's ambitions by telling them to "knock it off and be realistic". Reality: the limitations that say we are unlikely to live forever, move faster than the speed of light, get everything we want in an instant, &c. Not reality: the false "limitations" that say we can't dream of better resources, happier relationships, more satisfying careers, and better or more interesting worlds than the ones our parents had. "Growing up" is important if you want to achieve your dreams. "Settling" is not.

I come to the conclusion that many people can't tell these things apart from years of being a chemistry teacher. Kids would come to me and say "mommy/daddy never understood science, and says that's a [fill it in: rich, white, male, &c] person's topic, and we can't expect to do it". They'd be told to "settle", only the person doing the telling would say "grow up".

Sit up straight. Hold your head up. Dream big. Be a "tall poppy". Nothing wrong with it, even if everyone else in your "class" says there is.

Dress however you like. Just don't show up to chemistry class naked, we deal with caustics.

Amen to that.



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14 Aug 2009, 2:43 pm

I agree, and deciding not to settle doesn't mean you are holding out for perfection, just holding out for what's right for you. He sounds like a wise guy -not a wiseguy :)



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14 Aug 2009, 2:52 pm

Looks to me like this guy looked at other peoples' lives and decided that they are far more miserable than they actually are just because their lives would make HIM miserable. I see that a lot; overestimation of the unhappiness of others because they are enjoying lives that would make the poster miserable.



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14 Aug 2009, 3:06 pm

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I see that a lot; overestimation of the unhappiness of others because they are enjoying lives that would make the poster miserable.


Or is it that they secretly desire that life and only try to convince themselves it would make them miserable? Otherwise, why would other's happiness bother them?


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15 Aug 2009, 7:39 am

a person should just live the life that is the best for them.



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15 Aug 2009, 7:57 am

We're not talking about "settling down," right?

I think life is what you make of it. You have to do things in life that make you happy and are right for the moment. That may mean settling temporarily to achieve a broader goal. That's how life goes.


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15 Aug 2009, 8:06 am

tweety_fan wrote:
a person should just live the life that is the best for them.


Amen to that, although that is not always possible. Sometimes you have to settle for something less first in order to achieve a life that's best for you, but I know what you mean tweety fan.


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15 Aug 2009, 7:33 pm

I remember having a conversation with my teenage daughter's guidance teacher, who was a really lovely woman, but had totally different views than I had. My daughter, who was and still is an amazing artist was given an aptitude test and the guidance teacher was calling me to tell me that my daughter would be able to work in a store selling art, or in a museum as a guide, but wasn't suited to be an artist herself, according to this test.

I wasn't buying it and I told the guidance teacher that my daughter IS an artist and no one is going to tell me or her differently. I also said people can do whatever they want to do. She said, "Well, Ms. C, sometimes we all have to do things we don't want to do."
I said "I will never do something I don't want to do. Never." And I never have.



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15 Aug 2009, 10:52 pm

If she has the talent to be an artist then she should be an artist.
that is just weird to say different.



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16 Aug 2009, 7:46 am

cosmiccat wrote:
I remember having a conversation with my teenage daughter's guidance teacher, who was a really lovely woman, but had totally different views than I had. My daughter, who was and still is an amazing artist was given an aptitude test and the guidance teacher was calling me to tell me that my daughter would be able to work in a store selling art, or in a museum as a guide, but wasn't suited to be an artist herself, according to this test.

I wasn't buying it and I told the guidance teacher that my daughter IS an artist and no one is going to tell me or her differently. I also said people can do whatever they want to do. She said, "Well, Ms. C, sometimes we all have to do things we don't want to do."
I said "I will never do something I don't want to do. Never." And I never have.


How absurd of that guidance counselor. While it's true that everybody has to do things they don't want to do, limiting yourself to only those jobs advised by a highschool guidance counselor is not one of them. Guidance counselors should refrain from talking in absolutes. Somebody who actually had the proper aptitude to be a guidance counselor would have advised your daughter about the different art schools she could apply to and helped her research the different types of work there are within the very broad category of "artist".

I think sometimes people get swallowed up in the true phrase "sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do" and see it as the whole of life. As though the fact you can't ALWAYS do what you want means that you can NEVER do what you want. Silly and untrue.



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16 Aug 2009, 8:41 am

I used to work with a guy who later became a high school guidance counselor-I can't think of anybody worse suited to the job. A bully plain and simple and proud of it.



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16 Aug 2009, 10:06 am

I agree. However, the contrary of what you describe can also be true: in my case, "settling" in a sense meant going to university straigh tout of high school (I graduated from a high-level high school) and it was sort of expected that I'd pursue a career in academia. Dreams were actually big, including a magic green card to live in the US permanently after university graduation and I'd never return to the boring, small Netherlands. I would probably indeed have "settled" for university even though I was feeling miserable, if I hadn't been so miserable tha tit required psych hospitalization. However, maybe I will at one point indeed "settle" in yoru traditional way of meaning it, that is, for a low-level, boring job or no job at all.



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18 Aug 2009, 3:25 am

I've always been told by so many people "well, first you have childhood, then come your teens and college years--those're the best years of your life--then after that ya get a job, settle down, and have a family"

What I always tried to get an explanation about was: "why is that the best time of one's life? what about the working part?"

Then I hear people telling me how much they hate their jobs, but do it cause it supports their families. They just preferred the college years of drinking, drugs, and ambiguous sex.

So here's what I got from that: Basically, they like childhood-early '20s, because it's the age of little responsibility, and then it's off to do an office job to support family until retirement. During those "terrible" years, basically you hang around the water cooler and b***h about the economy, politics, religion, or who's having an affair, then look good to the rest of your family while you continue to hate your life, until you either have a mental breakdown and pursue some cult, or finally retire and tell yourself you've lived a good life when it's completely blown.

to quote Billy Joel "good luck movin' up cause I'm movin' out"

For me, childhood-early '20s was a joke, and if that was supposed to be the high point of my life, what was the point of continuing it?

Then I started asking more questions like "why do you have to get a job you don't like? what's really the point to all that? why not do something you love to do? why get married to someone you despise, just to look good to other people?"

And one thing I'd tell people was "I never look good to other people, so why should I honestly care now?"

Thanks to asking all those "hows" and "whys", my life is a thousand times better than it ever was before, and I can see my life beginning to catapult to intense happiness and success in the next few years.

Ya know..most of those folks I know who are NTs handle the stress and dread of their lives by downing 'em with smoking, drugs, and drinking.

I'm Autistic; I have twice the stress of an NT..yet I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs; I'm always mentally focused on something--or as it would be, a million things--and I like to deal with my problems head on. I also have a relaxation CD my girlfriend gave me, and it works wonders.