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16 Aug 2009, 2:21 pm

Ok, the defination of platitude is noun: a statement or belief which is not acted on in actuality.

Some examples of platitudes are:

"Don't judge a book by it's cover".
"Treat everyone equally".
"Be an individual".

and so on.

I can refute the excersize of these platitudes. People do judge each other by their appearnce at job interviews and parties. People don't treat one another equally, there is a pecking order, and because of social conventions you can't be an individual in it's pure form.

So, why do they have these statements when they are not acted upon?
If I made a left turn on a red light, I would get a ticket, so why can't the statemetns and beliefs of NTs be adhered more closely and not be hypocrities?



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16 Aug 2009, 2:32 pm

Why do NTs follow platitudes :?:

Procrastination of thought via plagiarism. :!:

BTW, it is not just an NT thing :wink:



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16 Aug 2009, 2:39 pm

It isn't hypocritical to have aspirations; it is to claim that they follow these statements to letter then fail to meet their commitment.


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16 Aug 2009, 2:39 pm

Bozewani wrote:
So, why do they have these statements when they are not acted upon?
If I made a left turn on a red light, I would get a ticket, so why can't the statements and beliefs of NTs be adhered more closely and not be hypocrities?

Why engage in small talk when nobody is really interested in the content? Platitudes are the philosophical equivalent of small talk.


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16 Aug 2009, 3:10 pm

Platitudes are ideals. People constantly fall short of living up to their ideals. But they do live up to them some of the time. They are unreachable as a way of life 24/7/365because we are human. But to abandon them just because we can't live up to them 24/7/365 is to embrace nihilism.



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16 Aug 2009, 3:11 pm

I think it's a matter of scale -- people don't live up to those ideals perfectly, but in a world where they're ignored 100% things would probably be much worse.



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16 Aug 2009, 4:00 pm

I think Bozewani has a point. I also noticed that if you agree with the fact that you are not a sort of Dalai Lama crossed with Sister Tereza you get attacked, even if it's obvious that the others are also not, sometimes being worse than you on the discussed matter.



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16 Aug 2009, 4:46 pm

Platitudes and cliche "wisdom" annoy me. Especially feel good sayings that simply aren't true. Most people don't seem to realize that just because something gets said ad nauseam doesn't mean it's true. I prefer reality to wishful thinking.



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16 Aug 2009, 5:59 pm

GreenStar wrote:
I think Bozewani has a point. I also noticed that if you agree with the fact that you are not a sort of Dalai Lama crossed with Sister Tereza you get attacked, even if it's obvious that the others are also not, sometimes being worse than you on the discussed matter.


Fully agree. This was the point of an earlier post as well. In fine, I think you need to make people feel good by pretending that they live and breathe these ideals 24/7 and that you also do.

In my experience, attempts to objectively discuss the real world only leads to negative feelings and name calling.



16 Aug 2009, 8:04 pm

I think the ones who say it actually follow what they say and the ones who don't, don't say them.



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16 Aug 2009, 10:39 pm

Bozewani wrote:
Ok, the defination of platitude is noun: a statement or belief which is not acted on in actuality.

Some examples of platitudes are:

"Don't judge a book by it's cover".
"Treat everyone equally".
"Be an individual".

and so on.

I can refute the excersize of these platitudes. People do judge each other by their appearnce at job interviews and parties. People don't treat one another equally, there is a pecking order, and because of social conventions you can't be an individual in it's pure form.

So, why do they have these statements when they are not acted upon?
If I made a left turn on a red light, I would get a ticket, so why can't the statemetns and beliefs of NTs be adhered more closely and not be hypocrities?

Because they can't adhere. It's too difficult. There's a certain selfishness and paranoia in NTs. They put themselves first and do what they think is in their best interest. Everybody just about judges everyone else on personal appearance. People definitely do not judge each other as equals because everyone thinks they have done something outstanding that means they are better than others and they want to recognize their peers and the rest is scum to them.



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17 Aug 2009, 3:08 am

thegreatpretender wrote:
In my experience, attempts to objectively discuss the real world only leads to negative feelings and name calling.


In mine also, and I don't understand why I don't stop doing it [:)] I just hear myself talking at a point. I see it as a hypocrisy and when I am tired or feeling too well my filters go down and I say what I think.

I think it is a social taboo, we should just accept.



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17 Aug 2009, 1:42 pm

To me, an NT, cliches are not irritating nor fake. They are, as Janissy says, an ideal - and we know that they are not necessarily true, but rather something to wish for or something we strive to achieve. As a linguist, I often find the language of cliches to be poetic, beautiful and catching. Use of cliches is not in itself a sign of shallowness or lower intelligence. It can tell people that you know and understand that language and communication is meaningful on many levels. I would also like to say that smalltalk in general, to most NTs, is part of a meaningful interaction where much unspoken information is conveyed and understood. It is not something NTs do just for the lack of having something more interesting to talk about, because we want to impress our interlocutors or because we desperately need the approval of others. It helps people to get to know each other in a polite, gentle and considerate way. It may sometimes test our patience as not all smalltalk is equally entertaining, but we do it anyway. This form of communication may be meaningful on a deeper level.

I am surprised at the negativity many aspies express about NTs, saying that NTs are less intelligent, shallow and fake. There will of course always be rude bullies in almost any social setting. They are not so because they are NTs, but because they are rude bullies. Such people exist among NTs and aspies alike. Simple as that. I don't get how the "aspies are intelligent, NTs are stupid"-attitude will help us gain a better understanding of each other.



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17 Aug 2009, 6:20 pm

I have religious relatives who really try to live their religion. Jesus did not speak in platitudes. I kind of admire people who truly try to live according to their ideals instead of spouting platitudes that they do not really follow.


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18 Aug 2009, 2:47 am

the same reason they created Public Service Announcements; do they ever actually play those cards they preached? There's your answer.

I see it as basically attempting to look good to others, when even the others know it's complete BS, but "you're trying".