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i been doing alot of looking in to this and it explains so much about me i hav to see a therpist on the 13th so im going to mention it to her is has alot of simulatrities to aspergers but is different in many to as i belive u can hav both and usally hav to be above 18 to get a diagnosis whitch i am im 19 in 3 weks


just wounderedif anyone ele had though about it

Yes, it's possible to have both. Asperger's doesn't change your personality except indirectly (because it changes your environment). However, one can be mistaken for the other. I do think borderline plus AS is less common than borderline among non-autistic people because a lot of the problem with borderline stems from a lack of a firm identity of self versus other, resulting in those intense relationships and lack of boundaries that are so characteristic of borderline PD.

If all you have is temper tantrums and self-injury, then you can't be diagnosed borderline; that fits with autism just as well, which was my situation--I got a Borderline misdiagnosis. I didn't have any of the other traits. They just saw "troublesome female" and said borderline.

I really have to warn you, though. Borderline personality is really stereotyped as the "troublesome patient" to many psychologists. Some don't like treating Borderlines; others treat them like kids. It doesn't do the person with BPD any favors; and it does even less good for the person misdiagnosed with it because they can't figure out your diagnosis (again, my case). You have to find somebody who will treat you with respect and give you common sense advice, not somebody who is just going to assume you don't have and will never have any common sense and must therefore be treated like a five year old, assumed to be manipulative, etc. And then there's the *shock!!* reaction you get when you reveal that you've been self-injuring... like it's some hugely dangerous thing... I mean, it's not like you've been using heroin or something. Angsty teenagers do it, for heaven's sake. You'd think the psychologists could learn to actually not flip out and give you the idea you're going to go utterly crazy just because you took advantage of your own body's fight-or-flight to cope with something overwhelming.

Yes, I've had bad experiences. Honestly, I often wonder whether people with real borderline personality disorder can even manage to get any decent treatment, if what I got was anything like what happens with the typical BPD case.

Sorry. I guess I had to rant about that. I don't care how impulsive, self-destructive, clingy, desperately manipulative, they're still people and deserve respect.

Borderline's pretty common, though. It's not completely unlikely that you could have it. I just figured you probably needed a heads-up about the stereotype problem. It's probably as big a problem as autism being stereotyped as "the nonverbal non-person with no hope and a future in an institution", actually.

I thought I had BPD for years and was obsessed with getting a diagnosis but nobody took me seriously. Turns out it was asperger's, the two are similar in a lot of ways. I've had a lot more understanding and tolerance as an aspie than I got when I claimed to have BPD. For some reason it has a stigma attached.

While the treatment DOES suck, it may suck worse for someone with AS than for someone who actually has BPD. I've heard that DBT actually does work for borderlines. And while people with AS have trouble forming relationships, people with BPD have no such issue; their issue is more that they suddenly form intense relationships, and change who they are to fit whoever they're around. And they rarely examine themselves, their thoughts, their motives, etc., while aspies usually over-analyze.. so it may be that some of the aspects of how borderlines are treated that are most damaging to aspies might not be so damaging to actual borderlines.
I dunno, maybe I'm talking out of my butt here, I mean, I really do hate the way borderlines are treated, and it is really seriously over-diagnosed. But DBT may be effective for the people who actually do have BPD.

thanks guys taking evrythin u lot hav said i apreciate it ! it just i have been abused ( not going it to it ) and most ppl with bpd have been it offten can be the trigger to start it and i have a eaing disorder but sumdays i ignor it othere i spend all day taking diet pills and laxative and makein self sick i dont want to hav it i just a littl eworried i do

and thinking about wat been said i decide i not goin to menton it to the therpist im just going to be very honest and truthful and if i hav it im sure there will work it out after all it there job so im guna let it be in there hands and there getting paid for it

thanks guys u ben helpful

That's strange that they woul dn ot be taking you seriously if you claimed to have BPD. I thought therapists were all too eager to diagnose BPD so that they can tell you that all your experiences are somehow made up, manipulative, and you need to be kicked out of treatment and forced to "take responsiblity". Oh well that is how borderlines are treated here.

I have a friend with BPD who went through DBT, and she feels that it helped her tremendously. From multiple suicide attempts and dropping out of college, she returned to college, got her degree, has a good job, and is in a stable relationship. She is considering going back for her Masters degree. She is interested in getting more DBT, but apparently insurance companies won't pay for it unless you are suicidal or something.

I looked into DBT; before I learned about AS it seemed like a likely explanation. I went to the evaluation for it where they explained about what it entailed and all, and kept describing it as classes. I was a psych major at the time, studying a lot of those very same issues in school, this seemed extremely silly to me. On top of that, I had absolutely no lack of knowledge about any of the things that the DBT "classes" were supposed to address. I'd been obsessed with psychology for quite awhile. So nothing she was saying about how DBT worked sounded like it would make any sense for me. It may have something to do with that borderline ability to morph into whatever they're expected to be; it's both a blessing and a curse for them, but either way, I don't have it. I am who I am and while I may get confused about it at times, and have absolutely no clue how to fit in with other people, who I am doesn't change. I think that in the borderline context, instability of "self-image" isn't actually instability of self-image, but actually an instability of self. My confusions about who I am or who I want to be never actually change who I am, only how I see myself.

i never really had a postive experience with therpy i so wish i could i need sumone to trust and to open up to i hav so many problems ad secret that i cant deal with but my parent cant handle me i alway been the difficult child! so they want me to move out i do ut money i have none ! !

i dont really no in therpist ion the UK like to diagnose problem i think there really fussy about it i rember getting my aspie diagnosis and it took forever and i had to see a load of differnet thepist and then they all had to decide ! !


i find it hard to trust people so it guna take a while before i cant really talk to my new therpist that i will see on the 13th but im just so worried about going to a new place with nobody i do i starting to tink i cant do it alothough i really no i need too ! !!

there is a theory that BPD is the adult form of RAD (reactive attachment disorder) when it goes untreated in children. the adult form of RAD is almost identicly to Aspergers, which of course means BPD as well. comorbidity is extremely rare, but possible. it is of my own personal opinion that comorbidity of these 2 conditions is more likely in undiagnoses/recently diagnosed Asperger adults as their childhoods were likely to have been filled with the trauma of dealing with an unnamed condition and the problems that can happen with being forced to adjust. funnily enough, it is also theorized that people with Autism (a biological condition) are less likely to be affected by external trauma and develop conditions such as RAD, PTSD, BPD, etc...so it's really all up in the air.
my cousin currently has two separate psychiatrists arguing over her diagnosis, one says RAD, the other says Aspergers. they both seem to not think comorbidity is impossible. though it may possible be because i am her cousin and i am HFA (spectrum genetics), and she had much trauma (unrelated to any medical conditions) in her childhood. so i guess it is possible for her and people like her.

It is in no way safe to rely on a therapist “working it out” if “it” is an ASD, and the therapist does not have specialist expertise in ASDs.

i no what u mean it hard i think really i just guna hav to deal with and excpet i on my own!

i was diagnosed with ptsd at the same time as i was aspergers along with deppresion ocd and adhd