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zeldapsychology
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14 Oct 2009, 2:03 pm

I told my dad "I hope I get a job from that job place" and was he was totally confused Also When describing a South Park episode I got into character (the squeky Micheal Jackson talk etc.) and he was again confused. I LOVE getting into character and don't see an issue with saying job twice IMO it's like saying I hope the pizza at this new pizza place is good. IMO both of those sound fine but I'm no grammar expert when it comes to speech or writing and when it comes to writing I focus on getting my ideas onto paper and periods etc. 2nd. :-)



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14 Oct 2009, 2:09 pm

Howdy ho fellow SouthParketeer!

I'm a right weird one me! I write really well most of the time (not always on this forum!) but when I speak I always say things in a really silly way, often repeating words more than necessary! Me and my support worker are always doing silly voices from SP and I too do the Michael Jackson! Whoo hoo Shamona! We also like the Jakovasaurs and I speak like them sometimes!


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14 Oct 2009, 2:13 pm

My problem is I can never put my thoughts into words. I'll visualize the thing I'm talking about, but cannot think of the name. So when I talk to people, I say "that thing" "the whatchajigger" "the stuff over there" "that one word I can't think of"... things like that, lol. It leaves too many things up in the air as to what I'm talking about and everyone is always confused.

BUT, there are times when around midnight, or after everything in the house has calmed down, HOURS later, where I'll call my boyfriend or message him on googletalk, and tell him "I thought of what I was talking about earlier... it was ____"... and that's all I'm calling him for, lol. Then he's super confused because he's forgotten what I was talking about, or blew it off because he had no clue to begin with, and I get all mad at him for not listening to me when I talk. Poor guy, lol.


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14 Oct 2009, 2:29 pm

Thoughts and ideas are always well ordered and structured in my head, but when I have to express them orally, it gets all kind of confusing.

If I had time to explain them I think it would be clear, but people expect to hear the idea in the first three words, so if I'mbarely getting to the idea, they are already thinking something else, and get impatient or get the wrong idea, and interrupt me with a counter before I even got to what I wanted to say, having formed an opinion by then.

I am better at explaining when I can write lists or draw something.



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14 Oct 2009, 3:32 pm

I think what I mean to say fine, but it rarely comes out correctly. I usually switch words around, blank out, or mispronounce something, especially when I'm nervous. I've gotten worse at that over the past few years; I make a lot of mistakes when speaking.


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14 Oct 2009, 3:48 pm

anxiety25 wrote:
My problem is I can never put my thoughts into words. I'll visualize the thing I'm talking about, but cannot think of the name. So when I talk to people, I say "that thing" "the whatchajigger" "the stuff over there" "that one word I can't think of"... things like that, lol. It leaves too many things up in the air as to what I'm talking about and everyone is always confused.

BUT, there are times when around midnight, or after everything in the house has calmed down, HOURS later, where I'll call my boyfriend or message him on googletalk, and tell him "I thought of what I was talking about earlier... it was ____"... and that's all I'm calling him for, lol. Then he's super confused because he's forgotten what I was talking about, or blew it off because he had no clue to begin with, and I get all mad at him for not listening to me when I talk. Poor guy, lol.


Y'know, I've never thought about it that way, before. I'm always trying to think of the name of something I'm visualizing in my head, but never finding it. It must be because we think on a more visual/conceptual level, whereas the words or labels are less important. That's why we have such a hard time finding the "right word". From what I've heard, most people's minds operate predominately in words, so that's much less of a problem for them.



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14 Oct 2009, 3:53 pm

My writing and speech are both grammatically correct most of the time, but when I am stressed my grammar goes down. Speech ismore affected than writing in this situation.



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14 Oct 2009, 5:36 pm

i can write beautifully and eloquently on paper, but when it comes to speaking, i've called it "speech dyslexia" recently. Is there some kind of relevant correlation between AS and CAPD?



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14 Oct 2009, 9:02 pm

My spelling and grammar are atrocious! I have to spell-check everything....even these forums posts! Funny because I used to do so well on spelling and grammar tests in elementary school.
Also, when I am speaking, I am very redundant in my choice of words, and I get lazy and mix up the order of words or phrases or confuse them with similar words or phrases that come into my mind. For example saying "9/11 instead of 7 11, or orgasm instead of organism, (fully understanding the difference and horribly embarrassed the second I realize I made these errors)!



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15 Oct 2009, 2:51 am

Write is perfect (in my language), speaking... pretty difficult, I usually take sometime to form the full answer in my brain before speaking, I still have some gramma problems (God bless computers).


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15 Oct 2009, 3:06 am

I find it really hard putting things into words, frequently talking about 'that man that did that thing' and similar such sensical things.
I also pick up anyones accents and ways of speaking around me, my brother and his friends are really lazy speakers, dropping letters all over the place, for example letters would become leh-ers. I pick that up whenever I'm around them which I hate.
My main grammatical problem is the word those, I can't use it, or I find it incredibly difficult and substitute it for them instead which makes me sound like an idiot.



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15 Oct 2009, 3:33 am

zeldapsychology wrote:
I told my dad "I hope I get a job from that job place" and was he was totally confused Also When describing a South Park episode I got into character (the squeky Micheal Jackson talk etc.) and he was again confused. I LOVE getting into character and don't see an issue with saying job twice IMO it's like saying I hope the pizza at this new pizza place is good. IMO both of those sound fine but I'm no grammar expert when it comes to speech or writing and when it comes to writing I focus on getting my ideas onto paper and periods etc. 2nd. :-)



I have been a card carrying 'formal language' Aspie as far back as I can remember.

I think part of it was/is aloofness, showing off one of the communication things that I can do well.



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15 Oct 2009, 4:39 am

I think grammar problems / over verbosity may be common amongst Aspies. My vocabulary is well above average as are my language skills. However I tend to use too many words and construct overly verbose or grammatically complex sentences. Not intentionally or to sound "intellectual" I just have difficulty putting thoughts into words sometimes.

I've noticed I've got thousands of stock phrases I use in everyday conversation. However, if I need to talk or write about something new, or express new ideas, I have a problem with word order. I almost fall over my own tongue trying to line words up correctly. It feels like a real struggle to find the appropriate words and grammar. Speaking and writing are sometimes like trying to express myself in a foreign language.


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15 Oct 2009, 6:46 am

Does your speech grammar suck?

No more than the average black hole



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15 Oct 2009, 7:15 am

My speech grammar is perfect- if I've had a lot of time to think about what I'm going to say, and I've rehearsed it in my head about 50 times before opening my mouth.

Unfortunately, that rarely happens. Most of the time, I switch words around, get parts of sentences in the wrong order, completely screw up my pronouns, forget words (especially the names of objects- many objects are known as "thingy"), and substitute words for ones with similar sounds (for example, I'll say "count" when I mean "can't"). My piano students all find it highly amusing that I keep saying "left hand" when I mean right (and vice versa (or, even better, "that one", while waving the hand indicated, because I've lost my words completely)); they've learned to look for which hand I raise slightly.

I think my brain has a faulty word retrieval system, so that when it tries for words, it sometimes misses completely, sometimes gets one from the same category, and sometimes gets one with a different meaning but similar sound. The inability to structure sentences correctly is possibly because I'm having too much trouble on the word level to be able to devote much brainpower to any higher structural levels.


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15 Oct 2009, 1:02 pm

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i've called it "speech dyslexia"


you're not too far off! I've read about this and it is actually speech dyspraxia!


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