Are we more prone to be victims of criminal activity?

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zeldapsychology
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19 Oct 2009, 12:35 pm

Obviously IMO not understanding social cues/body language etc. can lead to alot of shady stuff happening. I remember on the sub in NY this guy sat next to me/sister/friend and that was on 2 stops. My sister struck up conversation with her friend (Oh when's your boyfriend meeting us?) I say huh? (He WASN'T meeting us) She then kicked me and then we got off at the next stop. She then told me that guy seemed shady I was like oh ok. I didn't understand any social cues or anything so I might of got hurt not seeing any signs. :-)



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19 Oct 2009, 1:26 pm

I think we mostly agree that criminal acts can result out of many different types of peoples---autistics, NTs, etc. But my general thinking here is, "No." Of course this relates to me, and not everyone is alike.

I am very rule driven. Being rule driven is something you find on the AS criteria. When my classmates were out partying and drinking, I refused---it was against my rules. I believe that for many of us, we have rules that we expect not only ourselves to follow, but those around us to follow. When those rules are the rules of the law, then I believe we have a tendency to obey the law.

But...as I said, not everyone is alike...and I think there are criminal AS/autistics. It just depends on the rules you have set for yourself.


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19 Oct 2009, 1:26 pm

Sorry---my computer is acting up, and it triple posted :oops: .

Well, just to add something more---realize that a lot of people obviously create their own rules. And these rules might not be the rules of the law. During prohibition in the U.S. years ago, many people believed it was fine for them to make moonshine even though it was against the law. Not everyone agrees with the law.


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19 Oct 2009, 1:26 pm

Gee---I'm sorry---I triple posted---my computer wouldn't send the message, so I hit send again, and it had already sent :oops: .

Adding some more here---I know I have stated that I am very rule oriented within the laws of my country. But, what if an AS person's special intense interest was an illegal activity? That could quite possibly create a criminal "Aspie."


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19 Oct 2009, 1:37 pm

I have a pretty strong ethical code and prefer to play by the rules. It would only ever happen if I acted out violently in a moment of rage. I would say that calculated criminal activity is much less likely for those on the spectrum.



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19 Oct 2009, 1:47 pm

I don't think she means so much prone to purposely engage in criminal activity, as not be able to recognize and avoid shady people, or be manipulated into doing things.

That feature of being rule-driven could have the same effect. If you're all about the rules, and expect other people to be as well, then you won't be so able to see when people are doing things they shouldn't be.



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19 Oct 2009, 1:51 pm

I would say no.


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19 Oct 2009, 2:07 pm

Not doing crimes issues with knowing X person is a criminal might attack you etc. I couldn't tell that guy was a shady character I didn't see any signs. and was thinking perhaps Aspies and people on the spectrum are more prone to criminal activity which falls into being attacked or something along those lines sorry I confused anyone.



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19 Oct 2009, 3:07 pm

zeldapsychology wrote:
Not doing crimes issues with knowing X person is a criminal might attack you etc. I couldn't tell that guy was a shady character I didn't see any signs. and was thinking perhaps Aspies and people on the spectrum are more prone to criminal activity which falls into being attacked or something along those lines sorry I confused anyone.


Sorry for the misunderstanding. You mean are we more likely to be the victim of a criminal attack? Possibly. I think I'm less likely though because I tend to be slightly paranoid and very careful around people. I did notice in school that when bullies perceived that I was shy they would target me. I started looking angry and people left me alone.



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19 Oct 2009, 3:07 pm

So I'm guessing that she mentioned the boyfriend to scare off the shady guy from following you. I guess you weren't enough of a man to scare him off yourself :lol: Maybe the guy wouldn't have seemed shady to a reasonable person. Maybe she was the crazy one with some sort of weird prejudice.



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19 Oct 2009, 3:45 pm

I've never come across any dangerous people with Autism or Asperger's; I'd say there's no reason to suggest that we are more prone to criminal activity.


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19 Oct 2009, 3:52 pm

I think the lack of social skills for those on the autism spectrum inherently makes them more susceptible to being victimized by criminals in just about any place where people are.


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19 Oct 2009, 4:02 pm

I think the title should be changed to "Are we more prone to being victims of criminal activity?"

The answer is yes.



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19 Oct 2009, 4:35 pm

Statistically speaking, autistics are not more likely to commit crimes than NTs. But that doesn't mean no crimes get committed due to problems related to autism. Here in the Netherlands, there are quite a few autistics in state hospitals for mentally ill convicts.



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19 Oct 2009, 4:39 pm

I went through a rebellious teenage phase during which I was quite the little trouble-maker, but I doubt it has anything to do with being autistic.



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19 Oct 2009, 9:18 pm

Autistic people are several times more likely to be the victims of crimes, including child abuse, rape, and murder.

There are some stats from a survey here, but they don't compare them to the general-public numbers, so I'm not sure exactly what the stats are supposed to mean; but maybe somebody here knows the general numbers and can compare?
http://www.autism-society.org/site/DocS ... ocID=10901

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Most people with disabilities
will experience some form of sexual assault or abuse during their lifetime
(Marge, 2003). The risk of victimization varies according to disability; however,
it is unknown how many adults on the autism spectrum are victims of
sexual abuse, sexual assault, or domestic violence. There are currently no
research studies specific to adults with ASD and there are no data available
to document presumed high rates of abuse against men and boys with
disabilities (Petersilia et. al., 2001). A survey of over 1,500 individuals on the
autism spectrum and their caregivers by the Autism Society of America
found that of the 35% who had been the victim of a crime, 17% reported
physical abuse or assault, 13% reported being the victim of sexual abuse,
9% reported property crimes, 8% reported sexual assault, and 8%
reported neglect; 3% reported being coerced to commit or participate in
a crime (ASA, 2007). A study on child abuse and autism (Mandell, et. al.,
2005) found that caregivers reported that 18.5% of children with ASD had
been physically abused and 16.6% had been sexually abused. Property
crimes against individuals with ASD may be prevalent in part due to the
inability of many individuals on the autism spectrum to read social cues
or understand social norms that may protect them from criminals seeking
financial gain. Some individuals with ASD may have a guardian handling
their finances, but if there is little or no monitoring and oversight, financial
exploitation can easily take place.
Despite documented high rates of crime victimization against individuals
with disabilities, police follow-up, prosecution, and convictions of
perpetrators remain low. A review of Massachusetts cases found that
only 5% of crimes against people with disabilities resulted in a conviction
(Mishra, 2001). If convicted, sentences for crimes against individuals
with developmental disabilities are typically lighter, particularly for sexual
assault convictions.


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