NTs are NOT the problem!

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Okay, look, I understand that a lot of us have been mistreated in the past; and that most of the time it was an NT doing the mistreating. Sure, NTs are the biggest group on the planet, by neurology, and sheer odds says it'll be them most of the time; but this is just math--not some kind of collective NT sociopathic tendency.

They don't do it because they're neurotypicals. When somebody hurts you for no good reason, they do it because they're bigoted or get a kick out of hurting other people.

NTs don't hurt people because they're NTs any more than autistic people hurt others because we're autistic.

Yes, they're different. They're cliqueish and they require a ridiculous amount of interaction to survive. But if you think you ought to be accepted despite being different, then you can't hold up a double standard that says you don't accept NTs because they're so weird.

They're not all the same. They're diverse, just like autistics are, and they make their own decisions. Some decide to be prejudiced. Others decide not to be. Some just don't think about it, and end up figuring out weird people aren't all that bad the first time they get to interact with a decent weird person.

You cannot blame NTs for your mistreatment; it's just not logical. However amazing their skills at getting on the same emotional wavelength as fifty other people, they don't have some kind of an Aspie-hating hive mind.

Most NTs can be shown easily enough what to expect from autistic people. The ones that won't learn because they figure we're losers/ret*ds/weirdos? Those are the ones you can blame, because they're the ones who are the actual problem.

The NTs are not the enemy. Prejudice is the enemy.

Well said. That's why I say "people."

Exactly.

You get nothing but agreement from me. Why is there no clapping emoticon? Am I missing 'applauding guy? Hm :clap: Heh. There. I will improvise.... poorly...

Not to get off-topic, but while this statement is generally true, especially of NTs under the age of 30, has anyone known any NTs, attractive female NTs in particular, that hated the excessive socializing?

Mmhm, yes, introverted NTs. They tend to socialize in small groups, in quieter settings, and spend more time alone. They still need the socializing; but they want it in smaller doses. Introverted NTs tend to form very close friendships with a small number of people.

Can one get a diagnosis (for NT)?

Well said.

One thing, a group of "NTs"/normal people will bully the outcast, and even if individuals of the group don't participate in it or wouldn't if they were by themselves, they don't stand up and defend the socially and emotionally delicate outcast when it's a group doing it.

So, in essence, social people can be a problem, as they're bound to group dynamics, and they have no more say over it than the individual with an ASD that lacks the same.

Yes, I've been bullied by classes of people, and no one stood up for me.

to be fair (and play devils advocate): how many of us aspies are going to be the first to stand up for a complete stranger that is being bullied, hurt, or picked on by a group of people?

That would be me, now that I'm out of my shell.

thats good.
i am working on getting fully out myself.

Well, I have recently said this to my boss, and he loved it:

"y'know when all the world's problems will be solved? When we humans evolve, no sooner"

True that. I've said to people before that I thought it was curious that we had a thousand years of science and technology but we were still cavemen emotionally.

("We" meaning humanity in general)

NT teenagers annoy me though. They're loud, have no regard for rules and what I really don't understand is when they witness a fight they encourage it rather than break it up.
I have problems with a lot of NT's and I know one that isn't like them. Most NT's don't care about being racist, saying inappropriate jokes, and they make fun of people with disabilities. I could go on and on about why I don't like them. And they haven't done this to me, it's just the way they are and how sensitive I am.

Right now, at our state of evolution, we like to talk about problems...just to feel good about ourselves for caring.

Yeah...that sounds stupid to me too.

I think most great ideas for a better world are great on paper, but they just don't work yet.

Take freedom; I think the idea sounds absolutely fantastic on paper, but I think deep down most humans can barely comprehend what freedom is really all about.

Back when I used to be a Republican, I would remember hearing Rush Limbaugh say how deep down all humans yearn from freedom.

Do they really? Or do they just think they do? I'm not saying impose a police state on anybody, but don't expect the majority of humankind to jump head over heels for actual freedom. Not anytime soon...the idea is far too advanced.

Look at it this way: the majority of lottery winners( not to mention those who play the lottery and don't win) usually don't even know how to handle all the money they've won when they finally have it, because the responsibility is just too much for them to handle.

If these people can't even handle getting a few extra hundred thou or more, how can they handle something as incredible as freedom?

I believe, for most of humanity, the idea is just too strong and powerful to truly comprehend.

Another reason I believe that we have to evolve before achieving world peace or whatever is because most of the ideas that get one to see the 'big picture', and that get them "out of the box" seem so advanced for most people, that when you try to explain it to them--even in the simplest possible sense--they pretty much wind up mentally "collapsing" and responding to you like a babbling 3-year-old.

They can handle the basic survival ideas, and can "argue politics", cause all that is sort of a civil form of the basic ideas we've known since caveman times. Beyond that, it's like a mental "shutdown" for most people.

Once humans evolve, all those problems will be solved. Until then, the only reason I get any news coverage at all is because it happens to be on at the McDonald's I frequent...