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10 Nov 2009, 12:06 pm

I've been reading about sociopathy and it seems like an opposite disorder of asperger's. But it doesn't seem to be as well studied at all, I mean in normal, everyday people, not criminals. There's tons of info on asperger's out there but not on sociopaths, only anecdotal accounts by laypeople or books about criminals. There's not much info on physical differences, brainwaves and the sort. Anyways, it does seem like opposite. Aspies are easily overstimulated, sociopaths are bored all the time. Aspies have a lot of sympathy, sociopaths none. Aspies have no theory of mind, sociopaths can tell what people are feeling better than normal people. Aspies tend to love rules, sociopaths not. Aspies tend to be anxious, sociopaths are fearless. Etc.
I met someone actually that I'm pretty sure is sociopathic. It's hard to explain, but they were very charming, lived off of other people, academically a failure even though of normal intelligence, constant partying. The eye contact was very intense and attentive. I remember thinking I've never had anyone look into my eyes that intensely before.
What do you guys think? Have you ever met anyone like this?



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10 Nov 2009, 12:26 pm

Somebody posted this link months ago and I checked it out from curiosity.
Depressing is the kindest thing I could say about it.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/2009/03/s ... opath.html


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10 Nov 2009, 1:46 pm

there is actually quite a bit of research on sociopathy, you might try looking under antisocial personality disorder as well. try doing a search in google scholar. the majority of "sociopaths" are not criminals as legally defined, but are all by definition, guilty of what i would summarize as, living and meeting their own needs, with disregard for the rights of others.



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10 Nov 2009, 2:50 pm

I am a sociopath.



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10 Nov 2009, 4:47 pm

Would've been nice if someone like Hans Asperger's had done research in child sociopaths in the 20's in Austria or Russia. Adolf and Joeseph might've gone to a special class and been bullied then never trusted with civil service jobs in case they had a "fit" or something.

Instead that happens to those of us that don't get a hard on for world domination.



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10 Nov 2009, 5:54 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I am a sociopath.


I am a mixture of both (if you want me to, I can elaborate on this tomorrow). Of course, I can’t describe myself as a fully fledged socio as it would be very far from the truth but I show a big number of traits typical for them. Apart from my putative ASD, dissocial personality disorder seems to describe my traits very accurately.



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10 Nov 2009, 6:03 pm

odd42 wrote:
there is actually quite a bit of research on sociopathy, you might try looking under antisocial personality disorder as well. try doing a search in google scholar. the majority of "sociopaths" are not criminals as legally defined, but are all by definition, guilty of what i would summarize as, living and meeting their own needs, with disregard for the rights of others.

But your options so far as how to study sociopaths are limited. There are criminals, CEOs, and lawyers/politicians. (I know.. that was redundant.) But those later groups wouldn't actually have a diagnosis. Breaking the law is part of the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder. As far as I know, there are just two groups of sociopaths.. the criminals, and those who haven't been caught. But those who haven't been caught are still criminals. But you can't study them, because they haven't been caught.



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10 Nov 2009, 6:13 pm

I recently reconnected with someone I knew in high school that fits that description very well. He is probably the most charming person I've ever met, and I bet other people that know him would say the same thing. He is overly congenial with strangers, but he has no sympathy for others. He needs constant overstimulation all of the time (loud aggressive music, fast driving, quick-paced energetic phone calls), but can't talk about anything intellectually stimulating. It's also odd that he is almost thirty and he talks frequently about conquering the world (his words) in a rock band, while he is making his living teaching guitar lessons. His decisions seem poorly thought out, perhaps erratic, and made with his immediate best interests in mind. He seems to have an odd tendency to encourage sixteen and seventeen year old girls to flirt with him. He is incredibly socially apt with eye contact, cues, etc. and has referred to socializing as always desireable.

Am I wrong to think that he might be a sociopath? I've thought many times that he is my complete opposite in almost everything. I'm going to stay away from him; he's scary.



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10 Nov 2009, 6:19 pm

Irulan wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I am a sociopath.


I am a mixture of both (if you want me to, I can elaborate on this tomorrow). Of course, I can’t describe myself as a fully fledged socio as it would be very far from the truth but I show a big number of traits typical for them. Apart from my putative ASD, dissocial personality disorder seems to describe my traits very accurately.
studies on white and gray matter structure in individuals with antisocial personality disorder and autism seem to indicate the two cannot be co-morbid.



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10 Nov 2009, 7:11 pm

It's unfortunate to say, but my best friend shows significant signs of being a "non-criminal" sociopath.

He'll talk about his problems, but if someone talks about theirs, he'll say something quick and change the subject. He'll ask people to do things that he enjoys, but won't do anything that other people enjoy more than he does. He eventually relents, but only after you've said "no" two or three times.

He's very erratic (sometimes manic), and makes impulsive decisions. He was an average student, but does fairly well in the workplace. He's admitted to stealing from someone's wallet, and misleading clients for his small business. He went through a phase when he was 16-18 when he would compulsively lie to strangers. He's scammed his way into a free trip before.

He's still a fun guy, but some of these things lead me to believe that I should watch my belongings around him.



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10 Nov 2009, 8:42 pm

Don't think the last would qualify as a sociopath but I'd agree to be a bit careful with them.



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10 Nov 2009, 9:01 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I am a sociopath.


Are you like this?

http://www.sociopathworld.com/2009/03/i ... tions.html


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10 Nov 2009, 11:35 pm

Maggiedoll wrote:
odd42 wrote:
there is actually quite a bit of research on sociopathy, you might try looking under antisocial personality disorder as well. try doing a search in google scholar. the majority of "sociopaths" are not criminals as legally defined, but are all by definition, guilty of what i would summarize as, living and meeting their own needs, with disregard for the rights of others.

But your options so far as how to study sociopaths are limited. There are criminals, CEOs, and lawyers/politicians. (I know.. that was redundant.) But those later groups wouldn't actually have a diagnosis. Breaking the law is part of the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder. As far as I know, there are just two groups of sociopaths.. the criminals, and those who haven't been caught. But those who haven't been caught are still criminals. But you can't study them, because they haven't been caught.
There's a third group--those who have logically deduced that they will have more satisfaction out of life if they follow the law in most instances. This is actually the desirable end-point for therapy with antisocial personality--not somehow magically acquiring a conscience, but becoming able to consider consequences and follow social rules because, in the end, it benefits you more than not doing it.


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12 Nov 2009, 1:15 am

bhetti wrote:
Irulan wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I am a sociopath.


I am a mixture of both (if you want me to, I can elaborate on this tomorrow). Of course, I can’t describe myself as a fully fledged socio as it would be very far from the truth but I show a big number of traits typical for them. Apart from my putative ASD, dissocial personality disorder seems to describe my traits very accurately.
studies on white and gray matter structure in individuals with antisocial personality disorder and autism seem to indicate the two cannot be co-morbid.


Where did you get this from? I think that could well be true, the person I wrote about is pretty much my opposite. I imagine it like a spectrum- the autistics, the geeks, the normals, the borderline sociopathic people; like entertainers, politicians etc who still have enough focus to build a career instead of just lying about their credentials and then the sociopaths.



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12 Nov 2009, 3:22 am

Since when do aspie's love rules? Please be careful about posting inaccurate information here.



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12 Nov 2009, 3:27 am

Katie_WPG wrote:
It's unfortunate to say, but my best friend shows significant signs of being a "non-criminal" sociopath.

He'll talk about his problems, but if someone talks about theirs, he'll say something quick and change the subject. He'll ask people to do things that he enjoys, but won't do anything that other people enjoy more than he does. He eventually relents, but only after you've said "no" two or three times.

He's very erratic (sometimes manic), and makes impulsive decisions. He was an average student, but does fairly well in the workplace. He's admitted to stealing from someone's wallet, and misleading clients for his small business. He went through a phase when he was 16-18 when he would compulsively lie to strangers. He's scammed his way into a free trip before.

He's still a fun guy, but some of these things lead me to believe that I should watch my belongings around him.


Are you sure this is sociopathic behavior? With the exception of stealing from people I don't see anything sociopathic about your best friend. He sounds pretty normal.

Actually:

"He'll talk about his problems, but if someone talks about theirs, he'll say something quick and change the subject."

Correct me if I'm wrong but a sociopath does not talk about their problems because it opens them up to vulnerability. It also sounds like he could be on the spectrum with the changing the subject thing.