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30 Dec 2009, 9:48 pm

Some time ago, I found a podcast of an interview that Peter Gzowski did for CBC Radio with Donna Williams, around the time she published her book, "Nobody Nowhere." During the interview, Donna mentioned that she had a talent for repeating somebody's words the instant that the person said them, which talent she called "shadow speaking." I found that quite astonishing, because it was something I had been able to do for a long time. In my case, I would listen to Blue Jays baseball games on the radio, and repeat what one of the play-by-play announcers (previously Tom Cheek, now Alan Ashby) would say while they were still talking. It's not something I can do 100% of the time, but I can do it enough that somebody else might get freaked out by it. Still, Gzowski was astounded that Donna could do this, as if he couldn't do it himself.

My question is, is this talent common to Aspies, or can anybody do this with practice?



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30 Dec 2009, 9:55 pm

As a child I could repeat back entire fairytale stories, word for word, after hearing it once but I don't know if it's the same as what you're referring to. I think I was more classically autistic though too. I still retain everything I see and hear pretty much but not to that degree as when I was a child. I just tend not to forget things.



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30 Dec 2009, 9:58 pm

I think it would take great focus and concentration, honing in on one word at a time as it was spoken and repeating it in a fraction of a second without paying attention to context or anticipating what words would be next which would be the normal approach to listening. A detailed approach to listening instead of a whole approach. I suppose it could be learned by someone with an interest in learning it, but it would definitely be easier for someone with excellent concentration skills and ability to block out interference.



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30 Dec 2009, 10:04 pm

steelback wrote:
During the interview, Donna mentioned that she had a talent for repeating somebody's words the instant that the person said them, which talent she called "shadow speaking." I found that quite astonishing, because it was something I had been able to do for a long time.


I'm astonished, too. I do that naturally, without effort. I think it must annoy people so I never do it on purpose, but it is something I have always been able to do. I didn't know there were people who could not.



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30 Dec 2009, 10:39 pm

steelback wrote:
Some time ago, I found a podcast of an interview that Peter Gzowski did for CBC Radio with Donna Williams, around the time she published her book, "Nobody Nowhere." During the interview, Donna mentioned that she had a talent for repeating somebody's words the instant that the person said them, which talent she called "shadow speaking." I found that quite astonishing, because it was something I had been able to do for a long time. In my case, I would listen to Blue Jays baseball games on the radio, and repeat what one of the play-by-play announcers (previously Tom Cheek, now Alan Ashby) would say while they were still talking. It's not something I can do 100% of the time, but I can do it enough that somebody else might get freaked out by it. Still, Gzowski was astounded that Donna could do this, as if he couldn't do it himself.

My question is, is this talent common to Aspies, or can anybody do this with practice?


THank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been searching for that radio show for years!

My father and I were listening to CBC radio on the way to my grandmothers when I heard it for the first, and only, time. It was fantastic. Her ability to articulate what she experienced was a revelation. My father actually had to pull over to the curb and turn off the vehicle because both of us had been overcome with emotion and had started to tear up. The show ended and I never got the name, it's been years looking for it. I knew it was CBC but that's all. This is so exciting, CBC has everything as free podcast too which means it is publically available.

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Not sure I'd call echolalia a talent so much as a curse. Has anyone else experienced shadow talking to their own thoughts? I can't turn it off and it's driving myself and people around me mad.


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30 Dec 2009, 10:46 pm

Is this something NTs have difficulty doing?

I can't imagine why someone would do it, it's second nature for me, not very practical for an NT.


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30 Dec 2009, 10:50 pm

nansnick wrote:
Not sure I'd call echolalia a talent so much as a curse. Has anyone else experienced shadow talking to their own thoughts? I can't turn it off and it's driving myself and people around me mad.


That was my first thought too regarding echolalia but wasn't sure it was the same sort of reference. And on the second, I do that and it totally drives me nuts. I have a hard time turning it off too but lately it has been a bit better. *Knocks on wood*, even though I'm not superstitious.



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31 Dec 2009, 12:58 am

This is quite often the only way I can hear people. Sometimes I will reply "What?" with no clue as to what was spoken, only to rerun it in my mind or speaking (minus cognizance) aloud and say, "Oh." I listen to most things spoken with this delay. I assume it must be an ASD trait? Without it, I often have no hope in awareness of the spoken word.



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31 Dec 2009, 7:35 am

I used to do that when I was really little, I would whisper back people said or I would repeat in a whisper EVERYTHING I said.
And people asked why I kept repeating myself.
I can't shadow speak. But I can remember word for word what people have said.
Sometimes full conversations if it was an interesting conversation, but I don't repeat them anymore.


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31 Dec 2009, 1:16 pm

chaotik_lord wrote:
This is quite often the only way I can hear people. Sometimes I will reply "What?" with no clue as to what was spoken, only to rerun it in my mind or speaking (minus cognizance) aloud and say, "Oh." I listen to most things spoken with this delay. I assume it must be an ASD trait? Without it, I often have no hope in awareness of the spoken word.


Sometimes, even after repeating it over many times, the information still doesn't sink in. I've found that if I listen to it, repeat it and then read it there is a greater chance my mind will process and absorb the meaning. My ears don't always pick up subtleties in sound, certain words in what was said aren't heard as legitimate words but rather babble type sounds or they sound like other words and my mind doesn't pick the correct one. When reading the same stream of dialogue the holes in my hearing are filled in as the missing words are literally spelt out.

An "aha" moment usually occurs along side the processing along with a great feeling of relief. Nothing is more frustrating than not being able to process information. Sometimes its like most of my life has been spent banging my head against a brick wall.


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