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02 Jan 2010, 1:45 pm

Does anyone else find it much easier than socialising with Enties? For some reason, I do. I go to Rossendale School, which is a 'special school' that is now an ASD school, because they realised that almost everyone who was going there is on the autistic spectrum (although they count ADHD as being on the spectrum, about which there is some debate), and the people I get on best with there have aspergers. Also, they have offsite residentional property, and the one I'm in (3 pupils, 1 staff) has earned the nickname (or something like that) the asperges place, because all three of us pupils and the staff member have aspergers. And I get on with them all; well, one of the other pupils and the staff member at least.



02 Jan 2010, 1:57 pm

I suppose it's easier but I am still shy around them. They are also human. I can get along with anyone if they accept me. It depends on the people.



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02 Jan 2010, 2:48 pm

Yes. I am most comfortable around people I understand or someone who understands me, but socializing is dependent upon everyone present being sociable in common ways irregardless of anyone's neurology.


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02 Jan 2010, 4:05 pm

I know a couple of people who I'm certain are aspies, but the only one who's got a full diagnosis and is very open about it is also the only one I can't deal with.

Every time anything comes up he's uncomfortable with it's "I can't do that, I have aspergers" or "you cant expect me to know that, I have aspergers" and... anything. Nothing is his fault, he has no drive to improve himself, and it really gets to me that he still hasn't figured out I have exactly the same problem as him, while he expects me to make over-the-top special allowances for him that he'd never make for other people. He is still a genuinely nice person, but I can never get over the ridiculousness of the situation to really appreciate that.

Of course, the other aspies I know are all lovely, wonderful people who are a real pleasure to be around - very mindful, courteous, polite, intelligent and well-informed =)



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02 Jan 2010, 5:19 pm

I have found that socializing comes much more naturally to me when I am around other spectrum types. Of course, breaking the ice is twice as hard in these situations.



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02 Jan 2010, 5:35 pm

I most certainly get along best with those on the spectrum. The issue of getting along is not that we are not social or that we are horrible at interacting with other people. The issue is that we don't get along with NT's because they insist on certain rituals and are offended when people don't follow those rituals. But we're the problem, you see.


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02 Jan 2010, 5:37 pm

MrLoony wrote:
I most certainly get along best with those on the spectrum. The issue of getting along is not that we are not social or that we are horrible at interacting with other people. The issue is that we don't get along with NT's because they insist on certain rituals and are offended when people don't follow those rituals. But we're the problem, you see.


Quite. How dare people on the spectrum actually do things as they make sense to do, instead of following rituals that most people don't understand, even if they're aware they're doing them?



02 Jan 2010, 5:45 pm

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I know a couple of people who I'm certain are aspies, but the only one who's got a full diagnosis and is very open about it is also the only one I can't deal with.

Every time anything comes up he's uncomfortable with it's "I can't do that, I have aspergers" or "you cant expect me to know that, I have aspergers" and... anything. Nothing is his fault, he has no drive to improve himself, and it really gets to me that he still hasn't figured out I have exactly the same problem as him, while he expects me to make over-the-top special allowances for him that he'd never make for other people. He is still a genuinely nice person, but I can never get over the ridiculousness of the situation to really appreciate that.



God that's annoying. If I were you, I would not be nice to him and use your own AS an excuse back to him for rudeness.



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02 Jan 2010, 5:49 pm

Honestly, I haven't had a chance to interact with anyone with AS other than on this site. I don't even know where to find them, which is part of the reason I got on here in the first place. I think it would be really interesting to meet someone who might be like myself in the flesh.

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02 Jan 2010, 6:01 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
vandire wrote:
I know a couple of people who I'm certain are aspies, but the only one who's got a full diagnosis and is very open about it is also the only one I can't deal with.

Every time anything comes up he's uncomfortable with it's "I can't do that, I have aspergers" or "you cant expect me to know that, I have aspergers" and... anything. Nothing is his fault, he has no drive to improve himself, and it really gets to me that he still hasn't figured out I have exactly the same problem as him, while he expects me to make over-the-top special allowances for him that he'd never make for other people. He is still a genuinely nice person, but I can never get over the ridiculousness of the situation to really appreciate that.



God that's annoying. If I were you, I would not be nice to him and use your own AS an excuse back to him for rudeness.


While there's definite comedic value in that, and it would definitely be satisfying, that wouldn't really make me any better than him. When he's nice and it's convenient I'll talk to him and try to be nice in return, but I've just given up on actually putting effort into trying to help him.

..people.. helping themselves... horses... water. etc.

And while it's probably a bit bad on my part, I do quite like the idea that I manage myself well enough that people don't always notice I'm an aspie.



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02 Jan 2010, 6:13 pm

vandire wrote:
I know a couple of people who I'm certain are aspies, but the only one who's got a full diagnosis and is very open about it is also the only one I can't deal with.

Every time anything comes up he's uncomfortable with it's "I can't do that, I have aspergers" or "you cant expect me to know that, I have aspergers" and... anything. Nothing is his fault, he has no drive to improve himself, and it really gets to me that he still hasn't figured out I have exactly the same problem as him, while he expects me to make over-the-top special allowances for him that he'd never make for other people. He is still a genuinely nice person, but I can never get over the ridiculousness of the situation to really appreciate that.

Of course, the other aspies I know are all lovely, wonderful people who are a real pleasure to be around - very mindful, courteous, polite, intelligent and well-informed =)


There is one guy I know who's autistic (though he now claims his self-diagnosis was mistaken... I doubt it), and one of the things that always bothered me about him is that he'd blame his issues on things like being autistic.

In the program I'm in, students are supposed to sign in every day. I pointed out the fact that it was odd that he'd miss 50 days (or so) over two semesters' time while I only missed 3 and he said, as if it explained everything, "I am autistic!"

...He doesn't know that I am, too.


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02 Jan 2010, 6:53 pm

MrLoony wrote:
vandire wrote:
I know a couple of people who I'm certain are aspies, but the only one who's got a full diagnosis and is very open about it is also the only one I can't deal with.

Every time anything comes up he's uncomfortable with it's "I can't do that, I have aspergers" or "you cant expect me to know that, I have aspergers" and... anything. Nothing is his fault, he has no drive to improve himself, and it really gets to me that he still hasn't figured out I have exactly the same problem as him, while he expects me to make over-the-top special allowances for him that he'd never make for other people. He is still a genuinely nice person, but I can never get over the ridiculousness of the situation to really appreciate that.

Of course, the other aspies I know are all lovely, wonderful people who are a real pleasure to be around - very mindful, courteous, polite, intelligent and well-informed =)


There is one guy I know who's autistic (though he now claims his self-diagnosis was mistaken... I doubt it), and one of the things that always bothered me about him is that he'd blame his issues on things like being autistic.

In the program I'm in, students are supposed to sign in every day. I pointed out the fact that it was odd that he'd miss 50 days (or so) over two semesters' time while I only missed 3 and he said, as if it explained everything, "I am autistic!"

...He doesn't know that I am, too.


I've noticed this about some people, the 'I don't have to try because I have x/y or z' people. I won't go into my experience of this. It's something that really gets me angry.

About this person, if I were to have met them, they probably would get an earfull (because I get really annoyed by that attitude). I'd probably say that I have it too (and have a degree) so what's your problem. But bear in mind that I would be saying this because I dislike this attitude.

I'm mostly harmless though (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) :lol: .



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02 Jan 2010, 6:59 pm

I can socialise better with other Aspies, yeah. It makes sense, too, since we think in similar ways from each other, and if for example a Aspie didn't like eye contact, they could talk to another Aspie who also dosen't like it without any problems, whereas of course NTs would have problems with it.



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02 Jan 2010, 6:59 pm

ASocialization topic

Almost seems like an oxymoron. But I do find it easier with my own kind. You jsut do not need to feel so aware of what you are doing, or be "sorry" for doing anything that might be seen as "odd".


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02 Jan 2010, 8:03 pm

I think it's a bit easier to socialise with other Aspie-ish people because you don't have to pretend to be something you're not. I used to try to socialise a lot with NTs but I don't think I ever got it quite right and got rejected a lot.

I have to sit on the fence a bit about using AS as an excuse not to do things though because I definitely would have used it as an excuse do different sports at school rather than go through the ritual weekly humiliation that I went through growing up.

That said, I guess it's important to try to work around the more social aspects though :colors:



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03 Jan 2010, 5:52 am

The closest I came to blaming any handicap
I might have is saying "I'm broken" a couple of times, but usually
I just say no i am not going to do that, and if pushed
I will tantrum.

Lately I will say "It cannot be done, it is impossible"


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