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14 Feb 2010, 2:10 pm

... I know why people with autism behave the way they do.

If you look closely, you can see many similarities between children and people with autism;

- Talking too low or too loud.

- Throwing tantrums.

- Idiosyncratic speech.

- Gazing eyes.

- Hand-flapping.

- Little theory of mind.

- Poor motor skills.

- Poor social skills.

I have a theory that the reason why people say autism is because they learn things slower, or never, + that the brain tells the autists to do things like rock back and forth.



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14 Feb 2010, 2:42 pm

What do you think of my theory?



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14 Feb 2010, 2:51 pm

That was a theory?


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14 Feb 2010, 3:51 pm

Apera wrote:
That was a theory?


Just so you know, I would interpret that as a negative comment, but I know that you probably didn't ment it that way.
I see the theory as being: "People with autism learns slower, and some things maybe not at all."
And since this is not confirmed or dismissed, I would define it as a theory.

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I would say that this is possible. But it would probably only be some things that was learned slower, and different from person to person. Right now, I would say anything is possible.

The question is: "If so, why do they learn some things slower, and why is it different from person to person".
That is probably the hardest question about autism. (Why is it that they act like this?, have these issues?, and so on...)

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Now that I come to think of it, isn't that the best way to test a theory?
Asking underlying questions?

Oh sh*t!... That was the meaning of those "Problem Formulation" and "Brainstormings" in school!
Why didn't anyone just say so, It would have made things sooo much easier.
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14 Feb 2010, 4:33 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I have a theory that the reason why people say autism is because they learn things slower, or never, + that the brain tells the autists to do things like rock back and forth.


No, really - is that a theory? Because I could say, "I have a theory that God made the universe and everything in it and bad people go to hell." It's insubstantial, very general, and can't really be tested.

Face it, how could you test that learning slower and having a brain that makes you rock back and forth makes Autism? The brain is an incredibly complex organ, that even neuroscience is just beginning to understand. Scientists have learned to alter brain chemistry slightly with pills that black come neurotransmitters, but the method by which memories are stored is very much a mystery.

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And since this is not confirmed or dismissed, I would define it as a theory.

Incorrect. theories should be repeatably testable.

Your 'theory' might as well be elvish bread and unicorn hair dumped in a pot of water which is then used to bath an Autistic child. It's complete blather and speculation that can only waste time.

Perhaps if you elaborated?


Note: I don't intend to cause undo harm, but the scientist in me cannot help but be offended by this vagary.


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14 Feb 2010, 5:38 pm

One could associate these as co-symptoms of some sort of neurological difference. Not necessarily of Autism specifically. I have a lot of "quirks" in common with my son, most of which give me a childlike demeanor. However one glaring difference is that my emotional IQ is quite high. I do not have AS, nor am I on The Spectrum. ( I do however have ADHD which is a common Co-Morbid)

One error in your pondering is that children are actually not lacking in social skills to the level that someone on the Spectrum is typically. Most children are born with at least the ability to read facial expressions. It is not something they "develop", it is something that is innate. Social rules must typically be learned, but they vary with different cultures so that makes sense biologically. Facial expressions are more... universal. (With some exceptions.) Tone and volume are two other things that are very common across cultural boundaries and again infants typically can sense the difference.

So I do not believe that having a childlike demeanor is a clue to the cause of Autism, but baring in mind that it does seem to run in families I do believe that those two things could be connected.



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15 Feb 2010, 2:06 am

Some children also have problems with eye contact when the parents tell them to look at them in an angry way.



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15 Feb 2010, 2:17 am

I've also noticed that babies, 0-2 years doesn't speak either, and they cry a lot too, just like autists.



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15 Feb 2010, 2:22 am

Most adults don't even remember anything from their infancy, and in some cases, young childhood, it's as if they didn't exist, had no emotions, because they had flat/no personalities, which most autists have.



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15 Feb 2010, 2:45 am

That is not correct. Babies do have personalities. Even among my three children they were different individuals from birth. Memories from infancy and childhood also vary. I cannot really remember much from before three and a half years, though I have a couple of memories. One in particular being the sitter who watched me at two, who's son stabbed me with a pencil in the back.



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15 Feb 2010, 2:55 am

MorbidMiss wrote:
That is not correct. Babies do have personalities. Even among my three children they were different individuals from birth. Memories from infancy and childhood also vary. I cannot really remember much from before three and a half years, though I have a couple of memories. One in particular being the sitter who watched me at two, who's son stabbed me with a pencil in the back.


Babies have personalities which equals most optimistic heroes you see on television, most children share the same personality, you have to wait until they start becoming teens before you can give each of them a personality.



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15 Feb 2010, 3:19 am

I'm sorry but this is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard of.


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15 Feb 2010, 3:26 am

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I'm sorry but this is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard of.


I have shared my theory with parents of autistic children, they admire my theory and think that there may be some connection, some of them are also members of an "autistic organization", and they are people in their 40's who have studied much more than a 24-year old.



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15 Feb 2010, 3:35 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
pensieve wrote:
I'm sorry but this is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard of.


I have shared my theory with parents of autistic children, they admire my theory and think that there may be some connection, some of them are also members of an "autistic organization", and they are people in their 40's who have studied much more than a 24-year old.

Please don't act as if this theory of yours is anything ground-breaking, or even new. It also doesn't explain anything.

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I have a theory that the reason why people say autism is because they learn things slower, or never, + that the brain tells the autists to do things like rock back and forth.

supposed to explain? Did you forget to write your conclusion on why autistics learn things slower or never and why the brain "tells" autistics to rock back and forth?


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15 Feb 2010, 3:42 am

Lecks wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
pensieve wrote:
I'm sorry but this is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard of.


I have shared my theory with parents of autistic children, they admire my theory and think that there may be some connection, some of them are also members of an "autistic organization", and they are people in their 40's who have studied much more than a 24-year old.

Please don't act as if this theory of yours is anything ground-breaking, or even new. It also doesn't explain anything.

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I have a theory that the reason why people say autism is because they learn things slower, or never, + that the brain tells the autists to do things like rock back and forth.

supposed to explain? Did you forget to write your conclusion on why autistics learn things slower or never and why the brain "tells" autistics to rock back and forth?


If my theory makes people fond, then yes, I WILL act as if it was something that may explain autistic individuals.

I don't know why autistic people rock back and forth, I think that it's something their brain tells them to do.



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15 Feb 2010, 3:46 am

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If my theory makes people fond, then yes, I WILL act as if it was something that may explain autistic individuals.

I don't know why autistic people rock back and forth, I think that it's something their brain tells them to do.

But it doesn't explain anything. It doesn't matter if people with even less understanding of autism than you are fond of this theory, because it doesn't help them.


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