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28 Feb 2010, 7:07 pm

You're proud of being autistic. You don't want to be cured. Yet you don't want people you know you're autistic. How does that make sense?

With me I don't always love it or hate it, I just live with it. I wish I didn't have to sometimes. I would like to get rid of some of my more impairing symptoms so I can lead a normal adult life. At this moment I don't care if a cure takes away my special traits. And I tell people. I tell people so they can understand me better and not think I'm a selfish person.


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28 Feb 2010, 7:13 pm

Many people want to be Aspies but know every rules of NT-world, every how-to to use them and make their Aspie-ideas. Like a virus - comes inside and changes.

And not everyone lives in Australia - in some countries if you tell you're other you will be excluded. Come to Poland and see.
Sometimes I regret I live here - it destroys me, my thinkway, my creativity. I don't know if moving to Germany changes sth. But I know Australia is better in this respect :D


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28 Feb 2010, 7:14 pm

Well no offense but IMO for me atleast it's the stigma autism has attached to it. I'm not rain man some savant person and I'm not classic autism with cognitive impairment banging my head etc. So it's one of those diagnosis I wouldn't go blabbing about due to the stigma attached to it. No offense to anyone. :-)



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28 Feb 2010, 7:19 pm

I view myself as sort of an autism ambassador. It usually comes up that I'm not working, I'm on disability. Why? Well, I'm autistic. The response is usually "REALLY???" Another bigot disarmed, which means fewer people to hunt us with pitchforks. My OKCupid profile even says I'm autistic. So what if nobody will email me because of it? It's better than springing it on her out of nowhere. I don't understand why nobody wants people to know. If deaf people who were born deaf have "deaf pride" and a whole deaf university where they forced the president of the university to resign because she wasn't deaf enough, I don't see why we have to be embarrassed to be autistic. I think we need an autistic university. We can hire Temple Grandin to run it.



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28 Feb 2010, 7:21 pm

Australia is ignorant to what autism really is as well. People will exclude you too. I don't actually care enough about being around people to hide it from them.
I guess the milder you are the easier it is to hide it?


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28 Feb 2010, 7:26 pm

My roommate is member of Deaf Society. But it's other category. We are treated as mental disabled, dangerous mad people.
I'm jealous of my friend, that she can say I'm deaf, you have to speak slowly and loud. And reaction is: OK! No problem!
But if I said I'm Autistic, people would start think I'm insane and exclude me. Because I can hurt them* or sth. Doesn't matter that all was good before. And they wouldn't talk to me in other way. They wouldn't talk to me AT ALL.


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28 Feb 2010, 7:33 pm

pezar wrote:
I view myself as sort of an autism ambassador. It usually comes up that I'm not working, I'm on disability. Why? Well, I'm autistic. The response is usually "REALLY???" Another bigot disarmed, which means fewer people to hunt us with pitchforks. My OKCupid profile even says I'm autistic. So what if nobody will email me because of it? It's better than springing it on her out of nowhere. I don't understand why nobody wants people to know. If deaf people who were born deaf have "deaf pride" and a whole deaf university where they forced the president of the university to resign because she wasn't deaf enough, I don't see why we have to be embarrassed to be autistic. I think we need an autistic university. We can hire Temple Grandin to run it.

I'm on disability too. It's a good way to bring up that I'm autistic. Though I use it for more obvious times when I don't speak around a group of people. "You're so quiet." "I'm autistic." I would think it was obvious.


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28 Feb 2010, 7:41 pm

I can tell you that Australia is not really the most open minded country. Refer to their immigration policy if in doubt :)

New York City can be a closed minded place to people who push the envelope as well, it has its share of conservative Jewish people (not Texas conservative). The thing it has going for it is that people really know how to leave you alone, unless they are tourists.

Los Angeles is full of weird people, but intelligence does not run wide or deep and the place gets old fast.

Really, no place is as open minded as I (most likely you) would like it to be. The best you can do is find some people who get you and stick with them, I guess. I guess San Francisco might work, but it's $$

I'm still not clear on whether Asperger necessarily means you're less functional than other people. I get by just fine.



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28 Feb 2010, 7:42 pm

HOW IT IS
- I haven't ever seen as unsociable person as you!
- I'm loner, I don't need people

People later: Here comes Miss Überalles! How many dictionaries did you read yesterday? Can you already read in Japanese?

ALTERNATIVE
- I haven't ever seen as unsociable person as you!
- I'm Autistic

People later: Here comes Miss Insane! Do you have hallucinations? Does sb stalk you? Will you kill us?


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28 Feb 2010, 7:45 pm

I wish there were more insane people in my neighborhood. Sane people don't cut it.



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28 Feb 2010, 7:48 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
I'm still not clear on whether Asperger necessarily means you're less functional than other people. I get by just fine.

I don't. I don't have it mild. I don't work, rarely see friends, and can barely survive in the music scene which is my only means of 'having a life.' There's also a massive executive dysfunction that takes me hours to do any little task, like getting out of bed and then making that bed.


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28 Feb 2010, 7:54 pm

I wish I could understand what that's like. When you wake up in the morning, and you know you should make your bed (I do not make my bed, because I don't feel like it), what happens?



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28 Feb 2010, 7:59 pm

Valoyossa wrote:
HOW IT IS
- I haven't ever seen as unsociable person as you!
- I'm loner, I don't need people

People later: Here comes Miss Überalles! How many dictionaries did you read yesterday? Can you already read in Japanese?

ALTERNATIVE
- I haven't ever seen as unsociable person as you!
- I'm Autistic

People later: Here comes Miss Insane! Do you have hallucinations? Does sb stalk you? Will you kill us?


Poland was a communist society for ages. That meant that all difference was to be stomped out by the Soviet overlords lest it become a threat. Old habits are simply hard to break. People wanted Western goodies (fancy clothes and American cars) without all the other stuff that comes along with it. Gee, now we have to accept weird people, now that we're Western? NO thank you! No that's not the way it is in the West, look at "Dynasty"! (Bad American TV show of the 80s, beamed into the Bloc by VOA, a show where everybody has perfect skin and nice teeth and is wealthy.) You can't change their minds. At least in the US people are open to changing their minds.

To be fair, life under the Nazis wasn't much better, the Germans murdered half the country, wiped out the ENTIRE CITY of Krakow, and after all that the Russians bombed Poland into oblivion to defeat the Germans. Before then? Poland was a ping pong ball between empires, part Germany, part Russia, and the Hapsburg dynasty had a big chunk of it for a while. You guys can't catch a break. Like Israel, everybody wants your land but they want to send the people back for a do-over. At least they don't want to kill you off. Oh yeah, Hitler said he wanted to exterminate the Slavs, and keep a remnant around to do work Germans were too good to do. Maybe Poland can figure out who the king is supposed to be, and bring him back. With your luck, you'd get "King Ralph", which was a cheap movie about a Las Vegas lounge lizard who becomes King of England.



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28 Feb 2010, 8:05 pm

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Australia is ignorant to what autism really is as well. People will exclude you too.


Indeed. I was recently denied disability support for one of my uni subjects, because apparently 'people with disabilities don't get high marks like I do'.



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28 Feb 2010, 8:06 pm

Valoyossa wrote:
HOW IT IS
- I haven't ever seen as unsociable person as you!
- I'm loner, I don't need people

People later: Here comes Miss Überalles! How many dictionaries did you read yesterday? Can you already read in Japanese?

ALTERNATIVE
- I haven't ever seen as unsociable person as you!
- I'm Autistic

People later: Here comes Miss Insane! Do you have hallucinations? Does sb stalk you? Will you kill us?


Well said, I have experienced that here in the north east of England a lot, so its not just where you are from but the community you live in. The north east seems also be more homophobic than most places as well.



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28 Feb 2010, 8:11 pm

Actually, in my experience, Toronto is the best place to be if you have any type of disorder or are "different".