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artificialman
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03 Apr 2010, 2:49 am

so hello world. ive known i was different for most of my life. starting from when i was nine, and looking back there were signs before then. to be specific. the first funeral i went to, was my aunt's(who i was living with at the time) and everybody in the room was crying, and although i had an urge to be sad, i couldn't. after the service, the moment these people walked out of that room, they were talking and laughing... once again, i didnt really know how to be a part of it all. i even asked somebody why they are all happy now, they said something about celebrating the life she had or something. all i remember was thinking "humans are strange" . Shortly before this funeral, i witness a dog get ran over, once the driver realized what happened THEY REVERSED!. both wheels back over the dog. instead of being horrifeid, i was analyzing the driver. i came to the conclusion that he was stupid or cruel. somehow i found myself applying the cruel or stupid policy to everybody i would meet. recently ive tried to break away from that policy, but it seems i cant because to me i cant prove it wrong.

heres the main thing... I never know what im feeling.. ever. when i first heard of the idea of a sociopath, it seemed to fit me, but i did find that i would feel some emotion. this unfortunately(Stay with me on this part, even i find it strange) was not my emotions, but the emotions of others, some by product or skill that came out of my profound ability to read people. whether people show their feelings or not around me i can "sense" it. i can even feel tears although i find a cant really cry. 3 years ago i learned how to fake tears,which was the hardest human facade for me to fake.

i usually dont have any attachment to anybody, this is typically only on my end as i have "friends" who always come to me. and my ability to manipulate is advanced. however as college came around, the feeling of high school is over didnt really hit me. i moved out, i still didnt feel like anything changed. but when one of my "friends" moved i found myself with might be the only feeling i have ever truely felt and i dont know what to call it. after spending time i began to realize i had been using them as a guide to help me act more "human" , they helped me figure out how and what i should be feeling. i first came across this forum because of this , the term "emotional guide dog" is the only thing that seems to fit.

now if your still reading thanks. and i dont really know what i should be doing, but i figured somebody on here might have an idea or answer. and telling me "take this test" wont really apply. i started "The Broad Autism Phenotype Test" and when i got to the question stating "i like being around people" i couldn't answer it, because i cant understand myself. (hopefully that makes sense)



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03 Apr 2010, 2:50 am

not sure why this is in general, should be in "get to know each other as thats where i said to post it....



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03 Apr 2010, 3:32 am

Welcome :)

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03 Apr 2010, 5:07 am

artificialman wrote:
so hello world. ive known i was different for most of my life. starting from when i was nine, and looking back there were signs before then. to be specific. the first funeral i went to, was my aunt's(who i was living with at the time) and everybody in the room was crying, and although i had an urge to be sad, i couldn't. after the service, the moment these people walked out of that room, they were talking and laughing... once again, i didnt really know how to be a part of it all. i even asked somebody why they are all happy now, they said something about celebrating the life she had or something. all i remember was thinking "humans are strange" . Shortly before this funeral, i witness a dog get ran over, once the driver realized what happened THEY REVERSED!. both wheels back over the dog. instead of being horrifeid, i was analyzing the driver. i came to the conclusion that he was stupid or cruel. somehow i found myself applying the cruel or stupid policy to everybody i would meet. recently ive tried to break away from that policy, but it seems i cant because to me i cant prove it wrong.

heres the main thing... I never know what im feeling.. ever. when i first heard of the idea of a sociopath, it seemed to fit me, but i did find that i would feel some emotion. this unfortunately(Stay with me on this part, even i find it strange) was not my emotions, but the emotions of others, some by product or skill that came out of my profound ability to read people. whether people show their feelings or not around me i can "sense" it. i can even feel tears although i find a cant really cry. 3 years ago i learned how to fake tears,which was the hardest human facade for me to fake.

i usually dont have any attachment to anybody, this is typically only on my end as i have "friends" who always come to me. and my ability to manipulate is advanced. however as college came around, the feeling of high school is over didnt really hit me. i moved out, i still didnt feel like anything changed. but when one of my "friends" moved i found myself with might be the only feeling i have ever truely felt and i dont know what to call it. after spending time i began to realize i had been using them as a guide to help me act more "human" , they helped me figure out how and what i should be feeling. i first came across this forum because of this , the term "emotional guide dog" is the only thing that seems to fit.

now if your still reading thanks. and i dont really know what i should be doing, but i figured somebody on here might have an idea or answer. and telling me "take this test" wont really apply. i started "The Broad Autism Phenotype Test" and when i got to the question stating "i like being around people" i couldn't answer it, because i cant understand myself. (hopefully that makes sense)


Everyone has a problem with those tests. They are inaccurate because the questions aren;t written by Aspies (or even for Aspies!). Also, a self-diagnostic multiple choice questionnaire is not how you should be diagnosing.

Go see a doctor. Go see a psychiatrist.



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03 Apr 2010, 6:45 am

Welcome to WrongPlanet and welcome to my time warp. :)

I like your nick name. 8)


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03 Apr 2010, 6:50 am

the late actor lee marvin was out-of-sorts after being shot in WW2, and in his post-war readjustment found that volunteering at a local community playhouse [theatre], he found answers for his own emotional emptiness by playing different characters on stage and later on film - this gave him clues as to what people might feel under different circumstances. there is an old theory that if you fake something long enough, it actually becomes part of you despite yourself. maybe you might consider this tack by trying out at a local community theatre?



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03 Apr 2010, 7:02 am

There are no answers. Autistics have been trying for centuries and still - there are no answers



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04 Apr 2010, 2:46 am

i havent ever been "diagnosed" at all, but im beginning to feel im not all alone on this forum?



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12 Apr 2010, 11:35 pm

Hello ArtificalMan, its nice to see you. That's a fascinating introduction you wrote there. I hope you find the answers you're looking for. :)

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13 Apr 2010, 12:11 am

EquiisSavant wrote:
There are no answers. Autistics have been trying for centuries and still - there are no answers



Eh...human condition....not just autistic condition.

"Sick of this life, not that you'd care. I'm not the only one with whom these feelings I share. Nobody understands, quite why we're here. Searching for answers, that never appear."

Axl Rose


A more apt one for ASD people in particular might be:

"People are strange when you're a stranger, faces seem ugly when you're alone. Women seem wicked, when you're unwanted, streets are uneven when your down".

Jim Morrison

Both songs just popped into my brain while reading this thread.



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13 Apr 2010, 12:18 am

You should look up Alexithymia. It about not understand your emotions. You can't be diagnosed with it but it's a word psychiatrists use when their patients can say how they're feeling. Or if you don't feel emotion or excitement it could be Anhedonia.
Alexithymia is common is autism.


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15 Apr 2010, 2:33 pm

:nod: Alexithymia has a great deal of overlap with Asperger's. OTOH, alexithymia can also be a result of psychological trauma, especially long-term trauma. (I don't know why you were living with your aunt rather than a parent, but depending on what it was, it might have had a traumatic effect on you.)

Here's an early description of one type of what has since been labeled "[reactive] attachment disorder, disinhibited type."

Lenore Terr, /Too Scared to Cry/ wrote:
The "hail fellow well met" child almost always has experienced repeated abuse. He makes friends easily. Attractive and seductive, he sidles up to almost anyone. But he, like the withdrawn child [another type of attachment disorder], has a fundamental problem with human relationships. He shows little discrimination between people. There are no special ones, no favorite pals. Each person is treated the same. There is no way to get close to this child. The youngster's depths are locked up tighter than Bluebeard's secret room. This child eventually becomes -- because people need to connect with children and will not be able to connect with this one -- a grave disappointment. Volunteers cancel their offers. Foster parents give up.... [These children] may move to more than ten foster homes in the course of just one childhood....

[She describes a girl as an example.] This girl showed no favoritism. She never learned my name, even though I visited her every day while she was in the hospital. She didn't learn other people's names either. She never changed toward me. What I got in the beginning is what I had in the end. All of us...were a blur to this child. We were each treated with exquisite politeness and grace. But we were given nothing of value.


The thinking is that this type of child stands a good chance of growing up to have antisocial or narcissistic personality disorder (or sociopathy)...but more research is needed.

The other type of "benumbed" reaction to long-term childhood trauma is the "withdrawn" type.

Lenore Terr wrote:
Numbing will eventually distort a child's personality.... The numb child may be polite, yet hard to know. Words will not flow easily. Humor may not exist at all....

"Tell me about your friends." "I don't have any." "Do you like to shop?" "Sometimes. At the mall. Alone. I walk around. Don't go into the stores, though." "What do you like to look at in the store windows?" "I don't care much." "How about the styles this year?" "My dad and my stepmother bring clothes home to me." The silence dropped down upon us again....

"I imagine you listen to certain disc jockeys." "No." "Do you like any particular type of music?" "Not really. I put on the radio, but I don't care what plays." I mentioned that I had recently seen Steven Spielberg's /Back to the Future/ and liked it. She gave no response. I then told [the girl] a little about the film and asked what she thought about the concept. "I don't go to movies much," she answered. And that, she must have felt, was sufficient.

"Do you like anything at all?" "Not really." No feelings registered on [her] face -- not even sadness.

I...asked how long she thought she would live. "I don't know how old I'll live. If I get killed -- whatever happens -- then I die young. If I don't, then I guess I live longer."


So you could think about whether either of these sounds like you. Note that a person can have aspects of both.

(And you can see why especially the latter type is easily confused with autism spectrum disorders.)

Do you feel a lack in your relationships with others? Do you want to connect with others? Maybe you both want to and are afraid to?

If all of this is totally off-base and nothing like you, then you don't have attachment issues.