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31 Mar 2006, 11:52 am

The atomic cell. Electroplate plutonium and u235(or some other reliable radioactive stuf)(gamma rays are light after all) on a photoelectric cell, a little engineering and lead shielding, and will generate s enough electriciity consinstantly to power a car for a thousand years and it could replace an interanal cobustion engine with ease. no fill ups ever. the problem is german i think has that pattent for cell, general motors has patent for the battery, and japan has the patent for the reengineer wankle motor that would be
best suited to the elctric power. It could also power and heat a house for ever. it would be surprisingly cheap, just have to cut the red tape. no ethanol no biodiesal, just cars that ran for 100 lifetimes just have to change a few screws and no other maitence is neccessary. You thoughts



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31 Mar 2006, 12:15 pm

So long as there is Crude Oil in the earth we unfortunately will not go into alternative fuels due to the fact that the Oil industry is so large and profitable.



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31 Mar 2006, 12:21 pm

Exactly where in the vehicle would the plutonium go? There would be a high risk of contamination in the event of a serious collision, but as with with any car you'd have to have crumple zones and storing radioactive material there would be sheer insanity. The lead would provide protection under normal circumstances but would tear like tissue paper in a crash. If the quantity or density were increased to compensate, the extra weight would seriously impair the performance of the car.

And before I forget - would the electrical system be atomic as well? I need to know this before I use the cig lighter. 8O


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31 Mar 2006, 1:04 pm

from what i understand the plutonium would be built into the cells, and probably there would not be enough there to cause serious radiation damage even if the containment was breached.


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31 Mar 2006, 1:08 pm

its a reall design, not my idea, it was developed like in the fifties but because of securtiy concerns was never implemented. the thickness required is only that of a sheet of aluminum, obviously it would require a steel super structure, i also forgot a few details they would some polymers and such between the photo plates, iwas wondering if someone could help fill in the details. i still recovering from some medication, so im a little fuzzy headed



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31 Mar 2006, 1:08 pm

the concept is i think similar to a quartz watch on a larger scale



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31 Mar 2006, 1:16 pm

please feel free to spread the word



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01 Apr 2006, 6:25 pm

Hyperon, please don't tripple post.

Also, yes, I've seen this idea before. The down side is that plutonium is SOOOO dang expencive a car would be LOTS of money even for a basic one...


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01 Apr 2006, 10:12 pm

BlackLiger wrote:
Hyperon, please don't tripple post.

Also, yes, I've seen this idea before. The down side is that plutonium is SOOOO dang expencive a car would be LOTS of money even for a basic one...


...Not to mention the fact that Pu-239 and U-235 are both highly sought after items by rougue governments and terror organisations, partly because they are the prime elements in nuclear warheads. If a trigger device cannot be made to set off a nuclear explosion, they can still be utilised as the primary component of an irradiation bomb. --All you would need to to is steal a few cars powered by these types of batteries and explode the fuel cells.

As a further aside, not only is Pu-239 expensive and very difficult and danerous to produce, so is U-235.


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02 Apr 2006, 12:17 am

It takes twice the weight of the car in oil to manufacture the vehicle to begin with. I'd suggest that you advise your children to learn how to live in a post-industrial civilisation before the decline hits home big time.



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02 Apr 2006, 6:24 pm

we already have more than enough 235 and 239 sitting around doing nothing. an its oil that finances these governments take it away and they will fall apart. The idea is to crack thier economies and secure ours. cesium and americanunium are already widely avaible. and its not as though those governments are stupid. police states are really good at aquiring weapons. North korea aquired nukes on thier own. And the economics of the world will change if have virtually free energy.

Have you seen stargate atlantis zpms might be possible



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02 Apr 2006, 6:41 pm

conversly oil might be a renewable natural resource. Rather than being a fossil it could be the result of a geologic proccess. old dried up oil wells seem to be mysteriouly refilling themselves.



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02 Apr 2006, 10:41 pm

The global economy is based on over-estimated reserve levels, levels which have also mysteriously doubled in the past. Logic clearly dictates that no amount of oil stock refilling from sub-mantle sources would account for this. It's human manipulation of numbers to create a greater immediate profit for shareholders at the expense of our future. The science for abiogenic oil production does have some basis in fact, in particular the nature of abiomarker trace metals which are common throughout the world's wells.

However, to base the future security of the entire world's free markets on what is effectively a 'hunch' is fraught with inherit danger. Our species is extremely short sighted and selfish. It's an inherit flaw in our nature. Unless we make a fantastic leap in science in the next five to ten years, we might just have limited our growth and the future for all civilisations hence to progress further. I'd honestly give our chances at 50/50 at best. I think if we can understand the surface of the Jovian moon Titan, we might have some experimental evidence of abiogenic principles. However, gambling on it is not something I'd do if I were running the show. Hope for the best whilst preparing for the worst.

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03 Apr 2006, 3:00 pm

hyperion wrote:
its a reall design, not my idea, it was developed like in the fifties but because of securtiy concerns was never implemented. the thickness required is only that of a sheet of aluminum, obviously it would require a steel super structure, i also forgot a few details they would some polymers and such between the photo plates, iwas wondering if someone could help fill in the details. i still recovering from some medication, so im a little fuzzy headed


As a 15 year veteran of the racing industry, I've seen a lot of stuff come and go. The rule of thumb is, If you can think of it, someone has probably already tried it. If it is'nt still around, it was too impractical in the first place.


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03 Apr 2006, 5:27 pm

It would be the kind of thing that requires a concientius effort. so long as oil is prevalent the standard engine will dominate. it takes a major interuption of supply or spike in price to spur new developemetn and systems. brazil for example under it junta buit an ethanol system. absolute power can be benefiecial



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03 Apr 2006, 5:28 pm

It would be the kind of thing that requires a concientius effort. so long as oil is prevalent the standard engine will dominate. it takes a major interuption of supply or spike in price to spur new developemetn and systems. brazil for example under it junta buit an ethanol system. absolute power can be benefiecial