Critical thinking? Are you good at it?

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17 May 2010, 11:09 am

I always thought that I was, this is something I performed well in at school. I identify with so many Aspie traits and stories but I've found a few that I can't relate to. I guess this is normal, eh? I wonder how much being a woman has to to do with this.



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17 May 2010, 1:55 pm

What is Critical Thinking? They spoke about it at school but I never knew what they were talking about.



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17 May 2010, 2:04 pm

The way I understand it is that you don't just believe anything you read, or hear. That you take into account who wrote/said it and think about wether what they wrote/ told you is plausible.



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17 May 2010, 2:04 pm

wiki - critical thinking


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17 May 2010, 2:09 pm

It's not something that come naturally to me.


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17 May 2010, 2:22 pm

It's one of my strengths :D


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17 May 2010, 2:36 pm

Thank you.

I wasn't good at it, no. Although, I think it was more the trying to evaluate my findings and write them properly. Teachers never seemed to understand what I was talking about at in my essays.



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17 May 2010, 3:09 pm

Critical thinking is a wet dream of rationalisation, imagining there to be some neutral vantage point from which various sources can be neutrally evaluated for credibility, trustworthiness and so on. A setup of critical thinking takes off from a set of more or less naive presuppositions and then goes on a fault-finding spree, with everyone they don't like. All in the name of blessed "criticism".

IRL some people get some don't get to be believed. After the fact we may invent excuses for our mistrust or, in the opposite case, our gullibility, but as for critical thinking, it's a hypocritical fantasy.

I could, of course, be wrong. :roll:


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17 May 2010, 3:13 pm

Lisac57 wrote:
Critical thinking is a wet dream of rationalisation, imagining there to be some neutral vantage point from which various sources can be neutrally evaluated for credibility, trustworthiness and so on. A setup of critical thinking takes off from a set of more or less naive presuppositions and then goes on a fault-finding spree, with everyone they don't like. All in the name of blessed "criticism".

IRL some people get some don't get to be believed. After the fact we may invent excuses for our mistrust or, in the opposite case, our gullibility, but as for critical thinking, it's a hypocritical fantasy.

I could, of course, be wrong. :roll:


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I like the sound of that. It is a tool for keeping people occupied and distracted as they try to asses and evaluate the lies presented to us as truth.



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17 May 2010, 3:18 pm

Lisac57 wrote:
Critical thinking is a wet dream of rationalisation, imagining there to be some neutral vantage point from which various sources can be neutrally evaluated for credibility, trustworthiness and so on. A setup of critical thinking takes off from a set of more or less naive presuppositions and then goes on a fault-finding spree, with everyone they don't like. All in the name of blessed "criticism".
Actually, it's not a matter of judging sources for trustworthiness. It's a matter of judging ideas for whether or not they are logical; sources of ideas are only a secondary concept. Once you have a large set of ideas and their sources, and have found sources which have a very high proportion of logical ideas, then you may begin to gamble that new ideas from the same sources may also be logical. However, even ideas that come from sources that have produced a high number of logical ideas in the past may still be questioned.


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17 May 2010, 3:23 pm

I have a hard time, in that area. Critical thinking doesn't come easy, to me.


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17 May 2010, 3:51 pm

I think I'm pretty good at it.



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17 May 2010, 4:11 pm

it is something i am good at and consider a strength.
i agree it has nothing to do with the source. if anything one must ignore the source and consider only the information.


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17 May 2010, 4:36 pm

Lisac57 wrote:
Critical thinking is a wet dream of rationalisation, imagining there to be some neutral vantage point from which various sources can be neutrally evaluated for credibility, trustworthiness and so on. A setup of critical thinking takes off from a set of more or less naive presuppositions and then goes on a fault-finding spree, with everyone they don't like. All in the name of blessed "criticism".

IRL some people get some don't get to be believed. After the fact we may invent excuses for our mistrust or, in the opposite case, our gullibility, but as for critical thinking, it's a hypocritical fantasy.

I could, of course, be wrong. :roll:


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Nope. Not buying it. I'm going with Callista on this one (who has proven through many posts to be a credible source of critical thoughts). While it is impossible to inspect an idea or source with no bias whatsoever, it certainly is possible to create a mental framework that can evaluate the relative merit of certain ideas and sources.



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18 May 2010, 1:53 am

In my inner circle, about half are serious skeptics in the fine sense, including yrs trly, CONSTANTLY examining evaluating reexamining testing. Reality check - do I REALLY think enough to believe I might exist?

The other half tend to leap into convictoon like a moth toward a flame. Sometimes they get burned. Othertimes they find the prize in the box that I and the other skeptics never looked for because we were never convinced.

Gender may be a factor - in our group the most dubious are mail, the most hopeful female. But [skeptic that I am] I would not push too hard on that.



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18 May 2010, 1:23 pm

Callista wrote:
Actually, it's not a matter of judging sources for trustworthiness. It's a matter of judging ideas for whether or not they are logical; sources of ideas are only a secondary concept. Once you have a large set of ideas and their sources, and have found sources which have a very high proportion of logical ideas, then you may begin to gamble that new ideas from the same sources may also be logical. However, even ideas that come from sources that have produced a high number of logical ideas in the past may still be questioned.

It's not even about logical ideas, that's only a part of it. It's about assessing if an idea has a good probability of matching reality.

It doesn't come naturally or easily, but I've found aspies to be more adept at it than others as it comes with practice.

Here's a nice manual:
http://www.skepdic.com/essays/haskins.pdf