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Whathappened
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27 Mar 2015, 6:34 pm

I feel that I'm just invisible here. People don't return text messages, when I ask to go do something as friends -- or they make up lame excuses to try to get out of it. I keep asking myself, why? Why are people doing this? I don't take it personally, as I see it as something endemic to our culture.....which is miserable, to be honest. This has always bothered me. It's hard not to get angry, I try not to. I would Never, ever treat a friend like this. I would be glad to have a friend, and to go do something with them. I cannot understand this.

I also feel lonely. Alone, like I'm dying from isolation here. Is it the culture or is it Me? I have been asking myself this for over a decade. I can't figure it out. ...I just can't. Everything seems so lonely here. And it's not me. I want. Want to go out and do things. I'm very friendly to people I meet. It just seems most are standoffish. It seems like, quite frankly, everybody is like this nowadays. ...Why is this?

I'm suffering the pangs of misery and depression/loneliness and I'm surrounded by people --at the same time, who seem to just want to do their own thing. You walk out the door to go and do things, meet people --and everyone's just neurotic as hell, it seems. People appear so focused on themselves and they seem insecure, or awkward constantly. Is this the new normal? .... I find it nearly impossible to 'break the ice' anymore. People just seem nervous, scared or untrusting, and they don't want to talk to you... unless they know you. I always find this very uncomfortable awkward exchange that happens full of tension when out in public - and it seems to be in the air. As in, everyone is affected. When I do manage to strike up a conversation and have fun - it all seems to be about stupid things...not to be offensive, but the general level of intelligence here seems to be very low. At least, people are acting like it on purpose or something. I find this terribly depressing.
I feel like I'm suffocating, in my house from loneliness, but even when I go out, it's like there is an ice-wall.

How can things be this bad/overwhelmingly difficult? Is it me, has this country gotten so bad?

What do I do.



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27 Mar 2015, 11:44 pm

What country are you in? If it's the US, yes I think things really are this bad. Probably the same in some other countries too. It's not you. It's the culture. People are just endlessly busy and caught up in themselves.

I deal with a lot of people from foreign countries in my job. Some are very friendly, and some are quite standoffish...I mean you are going to see that variation within any culture or group. Also some of them are not very intelligent either. But what's different is they see through a lot of what goes on in this country, and they question it, because they are outsiders to it. It's really refreshing to talk to them sometimes because they have such different perspectives on things.

And as for people who were born here? Including the young adult children of some of those foreign immigrants...the "millennial generation" seems really ungrounded. It seems like they are so used to using technology, that they are kind of caught off guard when they have to talk to anyone face to face. They use a lot of cutesy little phrases and try to sound cool (or, I don't know, whatever the word is for that now, lol) but it comes across like they are actually really nervous.

Maybe try seeking out some people from different cultures? older people? people who don't watch much TV or listen to pop music?



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28 Mar 2015, 1:07 am

dianthus wrote:
What country are you in? If it's the US, yes I think things really are this bad. Probably the same in some other countries too. It's not you. It's the culture. People are just endlessly busy and caught up in themselves.

I deal with a lot of people from foreign countries in my job. Some are very friendly, and some are quite standoffish...I mean you are going to see that variation within any culture or group. Also some of them are not very intelligent either. But what's different is they see through a lot of what goes on in this country, and they question it, because they are outsiders to it. It's really refreshing to talk to them sometimes because they have such different perspectives on things.

And as for people who were born here? Including the young adult children of some of those foreign immigrants...the "millennial generation" seems really ungrounded. It seems like they are so used to using technology, that they are kind of caught off guard when they have to talk to anyone face to face. They use a lot of cutesy little phrases and try to sound cool (or, I don't know, whatever the word is for that now, lol) but it comes across like they are actually really nervous.

Maybe try seeking out some people from different cultures? older people? people who don't watch much TV or listen to pop music?



Dianthus, very well said, good perspective too. Also, the fact that this world is so full of different people and differences makes us uneasy, whereas familiarity ( people who are similar to you and your thinking ) makes you happy...but differences are as real as similarities , once you accept this , the theory of mind, and everything else that comes with it, maybe you would not question that much. But it is true that the scenario is very frustrating at times, even in the midst of so many people we find ourselves lonely.
It is rare to get someone who thinks exactly or very similar to us but there exists such people maybe they don't speak your language so you may never find out. It took me almost three decades to find someone whose thoughts were very similar to me but that person existed all along :)



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28 Mar 2015, 2:29 am

Whathappened wrote:
I feel that I'm just invisible here. People don't return text messages, when I ask to go do something as friends -- or they make up lame excuses to try to get out of it. I keep asking myself, why? Why are people doing this? I don't take it personally, as I see it as something endemic to our culture.....which is miserable, to be honest. This has always bothered me. It's hard not to get angry, I try not to. I would Never, ever treat a friend like this. I would be glad to have a friend, and to go do something with them. I cannot understand this.

I also feel lonely. Alone, like I'm dying from isolation here. Is it the culture or is it Me? I have been asking myself this for over a decade. I can't figure it out. ...I just can't. Everything seems so lonely here. And it's not me. I want. Want to go out and do things. I'm very friendly to people I meet. It just seems most are standoffish. It seems like, quite frankly, everybody is like this nowadays. ...Why is this?

I'm suffering the pangs of misery and depression/loneliness and I'm surrounded by people --at the same time, who seem to just want to do their own thing. You walk out the door to go and do things, meet people --and everyone's just neurotic as hell, it seems. People appear so focused on themselves and they seem insecure, or awkward constantly. Is this the new normal? .... I find it nearly impossible to 'break the ice' anymore. People just seem nervous, scared or untrusting, and they don't want to talk to you... unless they know you. I always find this very uncomfortable awkward exchange that happens full of tension when out in public - and it seems to be in the air. As in, everyone is affected. When I do manage to strike up a conversation and have fun - it all seems to be about stupid things...not to be offensive, but the general level of intelligence here seems to be very low. At least, people are acting like it on purpose or something. I find this terribly depressing.
I feel like I'm suffocating, in my house from loneliness, but even when I go out, it's like there is an ice-wall.

How can things be this bad/overwhelmingly difficult? Is it me, has this country gotten so bad?

What do I do.



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28 Mar 2015, 3:19 am

Whathappened wrote:
I feel that I'm just invisible here. People don't return text messages, when I ask to go do something as friends -- or they make up lame excuses to try to get out of it. I keep asking myself, why? Why are people doing this? I don't take it personally, as I see it as something endemic to our culture.....which is miserable, to be honest. This has always bothered me. It's hard not to get angry, I try not to. I would Never, ever treat a friend like this. I would be glad to have a friend, and to go do something with them. I cannot understand this.

I also feel lonely. Alone, like I'm dying from isolation here. Is it the culture or is it Me? I have been asking myself this for over a decade. I can't figure it out. ...I just can't. Everything seems so lonely here. And it's not me. I want. Want to go out and do things. I'm very friendly to people I meet. It just seems most are standoffish. It seems like, quite frankly, everybody is like this nowadays. ...Why is this?

I'm suffering the pangs of misery and depression/loneliness and I'm surrounded by people --at the same time, who seem to just want to do their own thing. You walk out the door to go and do things, meet people --and everyone's just neurotic as hell, it seems. People appear so focused on themselves and they seem insecure, or awkward constantly. Is this the new normal? .... I find it nearly impossible to 'break the ice' anymore. People just seem nervous, scared or untrusting, and they don't want to talk to you... unless they know you. I always find this very uncomfortable awkward exchange that happens full of tension when out in public - and it seems to be in the air. As in, everyone is affected. When I do manage to strike up a conversation and have fun - it all seems to be about stupid things...not to be offensive, but the general level of intelligence here seems to be very low. At least, people are acting like it on purpose or something. I find this terribly depressing.
I feel like I'm suffocating, in my house from loneliness, but even when I go out, it's like there is an ice-wall.

How can things be this bad/overwhelmingly difficult? Is it me, has this country gotten so bad?

What do I do.


The country? I would like to believe that it's all around, regardless of how you look at it. I can honestly say that I can relate to a tremendous amount of what you're experiencing, though not in the same exact light because we all handle it differently. It really comes down to first impressions on who you speak with, whether it's online or in real life. Obviously one is more difficult than the other, reasons being, but that doesn't mean you need to quite lose hope just yet.

One thing you need to get out of your head though, is your perception of other peoples intelligence. Not everyone is developed meticulously, and it's generally not always the persons fault for their own difficulties. Strive to be humble about everyone you meet; A clean slate, regardless of who the person may be. (Obviously, with some common sense you should be able to distinguish whom you want to approach, or not.)

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I'd write more, but I'd prefer PM's and stuff than to just have it publicly displayed. Message me if you'd like. Maybe I can be of some assistance.



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28 Mar 2015, 8:01 am

Whathappened wrote:
I feel that I'm just invisible here. People don't return text messages, when I ask to go do something as friends -- or they make up lame excuses to try to get out of it. I keep asking myself, why? Why are people doing this? I don't take it personally, as I see it as something endemic to our culture.....which is miserable, to be honest. This has always bothered me. It's hard not to get angry, I try not to. I would Never, ever treat a friend like this. I would be glad to have a friend, and to go do something with them. I cannot understand this.

I also feel lonely. Alone, like I'm dying from isolation here. Is it the culture or is it Me? I have been asking myself this for over a decade. I can't figure it out. ...I just can't. Everything seems so lonely here. And it's not me. I want. Want to go out and do things. I'm very friendly to people I meet. It just seems most are standoffish. It seems like, quite frankly, everybody is like this nowadays. ...Why is this?

I'm suffering the pangs of misery and depression/loneliness and I'm surrounded by people --at the same time, who seem to just want to do their own thing. You walk out the door to go and do things, meet people --and everyone's just neurotic as hell, it seems. People appear so focused on themselves and they seem insecure, or awkward constantly. Is this the new normal? .... I find it nearly impossible to 'break the ice' anymore. People just seem nervous, scared or untrusting, and they don't want to talk to you... unless they know you. I always find this very uncomfortable awkward exchange that happens full of tension when out in public - and it seems to be in the air. As in, everyone is affected. When I do manage to strike up a conversation and have fun - it all seems to be about stupid things...not to be offensive, but the general level of intelligence here seems to be very low. At least, people are acting like it on purpose or something. I find this terribly depressing.
I feel like I'm suffocating, in my house from loneliness, but even when I go out, it's like there is an ice-wall.

How can things be this bad/overwhelmingly difficult? Is it me, has this country gotten so bad?

What do I do.


To understand your post I need to know one thing.

Where is "here"?

Do you mean Wrongplanet (folks not returning pm's).

Or is "here" the country you live in (which from another thread you're on I gather is the same as my 'here' in the USA).

Or do you mean this planet?

Did you live somewhere else before coming to this "here" place that you're talking about? And was that other place any different for you?

I suspect that your location wouldn't make a difference. That you would have the same problems anywhere you live.