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was this abused or strict discipline.
abused and strict discipline 22%  22%  [ 4 ]
abused 78%  78%  [ 14 ]
discipline 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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23 Jun 2010, 7:26 am

http://bossip.com/53595/bus-driver-chok ... enged-kid/[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEqQ2k535Dk[/youtube]
un realeted but what you think of this bus driver[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZVzw8WMltg&feature=related[/youtube]



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23 Jun 2010, 7:29 am

honestly if i was the bus driver, i wouldn't of choked him. but i would or let him know what he did was wrong by trowing things.



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23 Jun 2010, 7:30 am

MONIQUEIJ wrote:
honestly if i was the bus driver, i wouldn't of choked him. but i would or let him know what he did was wrong by trowing things.


that did not sound right, i mean i let him now when he trow things its wrong and dangerous



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23 Jun 2010, 9:28 am

It was abuse. She should not have touched him.

There was no way that she could have controlled his behaviour and also driven the bus. She should have calmly told him to stop. Which wouldn't have worked but it would have gone on record (video) that she did. Then she should have pulled over and called the bus company and told them what was happening. They should have had a monitor drive out and get on.

There is no excuse for what she did. It was flat out abusive.

There is also no excuse for what the bus company did. If he needs a monitor, he needs a monitor every day, not just one when happens to be available. It is as inexcusable for the bus company not to hire substitute monitors as it would be for school systems not to hire substitute teachers and instead let the kids do what they will when a teacher calls in sick.



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23 Jun 2010, 9:37 am

I watched the entire coverage and wonder how they can conclude the one million dollars be spent on putting in new technology to record the driver's routes instead of putting one million dollars toward hiring enough monitors? People can aide and care for those who need the consistency and care of a person accompanying anxious students with communication disorders to and from school. I know someone who oversees the mechanical upkeep of the school buses in our area and he states that any recording devices are stolen soon after they are installed. So, the money is wasted on technology when people need to be hired.



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23 Jun 2010, 9:43 am

That was abuse with intent to harm a child, plain and simple.

If they can waste a million on bus cameras, then they can waste a million for more monitors so that something like this never happens again.



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23 Jun 2010, 9:59 am

It was abuse. The bus drivers on special needs busses should have psycological testing because even with minders on the bus, special needs kids may act up.

About the cameras, they don't say anything about making them tamper-proof. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw tapes missing/not taping. Making them tamper-proof means there is evidence. But, this money would be better spent on more minders.



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23 Jun 2010, 10:15 am

HA! I just researched that drunken bus driver video and that occurred just a few districts away from where I went to school.


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23 Jun 2010, 2:24 pm

I think that the money should be used to put more monitors on the bus. That would be a much better investment.


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23 Jun 2010, 2:52 pm

Given that the bus driver ultimately did not get away with it, I don't think there is any issue of anyone considering it "appropriate" discipline. I do think the family should have been informed as the type of incident may have led to other behavior issues at school or home that day, and all the pieces should always be as visible as possible.

In volatile situations things can and will go wrong. The important thing is learn from them and move on.

FYI, I didn't vote in the poll because I found the options too polar, and it really isn't as if ANYONE was saying the situation was handled appropriately.


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23 Jun 2010, 2:55 pm

Healher wrote:
I watched the entire coverage and wonder how they can conclude the one million dollars be spent on putting in new technology to record the driver's routes instead of putting one million dollars toward hiring enough monitors? People can aide and care for those who need the consistency and care of a person accompanying anxious students with communication disorders to and from school. I know someone who oversees the mechanical upkeep of the school buses in our area and he states that any recording devices are stolen soon after they are installed. So, the money is wasted on technology when people need to be hired.


Good point. But what if the monitor and driver share a philosophy of abuse? Will there be accountability? Figuring out how to balance spending dollars is always tricky, but I do think there is more bang for the buck in adding monitors. However, that is also probably about 5,000 times as costly.


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23 Jun 2010, 7:06 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Given that the bus driver ultimately did not get away with it, I don't think there is any issue of anyone considering it "appropriate" discipline. I do think the family should have been informed as the type of incident may have led to other behavior issues at school or home that day, and all the pieces should always be as visible as possible.

In volatile situations things can and will go wrong. The important thing is learn from them and move on.

FYI, I didn't vote in the poll because I found the options too polar, and it really isn't as if ANYONE was saying the situation was handled appropriately.


I don't see what's so polar as calling a case of clear cut physical abuse abuse. Am I the only one who's wondering why that woman isn't rotting in a jail cell right now? At the very least I hope if she had any children of her own they were taken away and put somewhere safe.



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23 Jun 2010, 7:25 pm

That was abuse. There is a line between telling him to knock it off and actually choking him-if she could not handle driving that bus, she needed to be on the "normal" bus, where kids would be just as likely to throw a can at the back of her head... except, they would giggle about it afterward.

The fact of the matter is, she is just the driver. She likely has no clue how to deal with this situation, and that is exactly why the monitor was supposed to be there. She snapped and lost her cool, and you just cannot do that when dealing with children-especially when they aren't your own.

I have no clue how I would have handled the situation... but ya know what? There's a reason I'm not a bus driver, lol, and it's because I don't know how I could handle it in general.

Here in our area, we've had things like this happen, and there is a way they always deal with it. They pull over to the side of the road and try to calm them down by talking first, and if that doesn't help, they call up the bus company or school and tell them where they are at, and that the parents need to come pick up their child from the bus. That is all there is to it. They just stand outside of the bus while the kiddo is inside (keys out of course), and wait for the parents.


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23 Jun 2010, 7:51 pm

[quote="anxiety25"]That was abuse. There is a line between telling him to knock it off and actually choking him-if she could not handle driving that bus, she needed to be on the "normal" bus, where kids would be just as likely to throw a can at the back of her head... except, they would giggle about it afterward.

i agree i seen this happen before the normal kids on the bus is just as rowdy as the ones with special needs. ]



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23 Jun 2010, 8:12 pm

Abuse.

Having a background in children bus security, I say that it was abuse because of improper emotional and pre-mature grabbing as well as inapropriate language.

The correct action was to tell the child that the school and parent will be inform of the behavior if it continue. The 2nd time will be second warning. The third will inform the school and parent.

The kids could have been in the safety belt and has already broken the state law for standing while the bus is in motion.

Overall, this newbie bus driver has zero experience with kids and just earning her own paycheck.



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23 Jun 2010, 9:27 pm

redwulf25_ci wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Given that the bus driver ultimately did not get away with it, I don't think there is any issue of anyone considering it "appropriate" discipline. I do think the family should have been informed as the type of incident may have led to other behavior issues at school or home that day, and all the pieces should always be as visible as possible.

In volatile situations things can and will go wrong. The important thing is learn from them and move on.

FYI, I didn't vote in the poll because I found the options too polar, and it really isn't as if ANYONE was saying the situation was handled appropriately.


I don't see what's so polar as calling a case of clear cut physical abuse abuse. Am I the only one who's wondering why that woman isn't rotting in a jail cell right now? At the very least I hope if she had any children of her own they were taken away and put somewhere safe.


She snapped and acted inappropriately, no question. But have you ever been hit by a flying object while driving? Pretty hard to keep in control after something like that, given that it tends to feel like a near death experience and you're frightened out of your skull. That doesn't excuse anything, and it is good reason for why she wasn't qualified to drive that bus, but it is a mitigating factor as far as potential criminal penalties go.


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