If there was another planet with all AS people would u go?

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26 Jul 2010, 12:59 pm

Say Obama put a fund that paid for all AS and autistic people to goto the right planet, would you hop on board?

There would be accomidations and and resturants and disability checks for everyone, WOULD U GO?



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26 Jul 2010, 1:48 pm

No.



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26 Jul 2010, 1:50 pm

yep.



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26 Jul 2010, 1:53 pm

hell yeah,


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26 Jul 2010, 2:00 pm

Not if it were made by an NT, and not if I were given disability checks. I would be awfully suspicious. Maybe Obama would just want us all together to know where we were... or maybe he would be well-meaning, but if we would all need SSDI there, it obviously couldn't be a very nice place. So no, not as you phrased the question.

If there were such a place, but naturally-occurring or created by Aspies, I would visit. But as easy as that could conceivably make things, I like the places I know and even the people I know. Shockingly enough, I do have friends, and if this place is Aspie Separatist, I wouldn't be able to carry on those friendships. Plus, I feel like there's a specific reason why I'm here, among NTs, and I certainly hope that wouldn't be needed in an Aspie state, so I would never live there long-term.


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26 Jul 2010, 3:43 pm

Folks, please don't take this Troll's bait. His every thread is designed to make Autistic people out to be freaks and losers.



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26 Jul 2010, 3:47 pm

If oh-bummer paid for it, i would be very suspicious. He would realize that we are too smart to ever vote for him again, so by putting us outside US jurisdiction, we could not vote him out.

And no, i wouldnt go to planet aspie, too many atheists there. (heh, the southpark episode with the CBN spaceship comes to mind)


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26 Jul 2010, 4:06 pm

I would go to a planet whose environment negated all symptoms of AS, and if a lot of people did the same, it just might be the happiest place in the universe.



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26 Jul 2010, 4:11 pm

Willard wrote:
Folks, please don't take this Troll's bait. His every thread is designed to make Autistic people out to be freaks and losers.


He's not a troll. Stupid, maybe. But, he is not a troll.

Anyway, to answer the question:

Obama has much better things to spend the national money on stuff. Not to mention, he can't even send us anywhere without consent from each and every one of us and the majority vote in his favor. Plus, we could not have weapons on any other planet due to an international treaty, so we would be defenseless. It would take forever to build infrastructure and we would not be able to breathe there.

So, I have no answer because it is impossible for it to happen.



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26 Jul 2010, 4:14 pm

Genetic and neurological diversity is important, just as the world needs AS people to function , we need NT people.


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26 Jul 2010, 4:16 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Genetic and neurological diversity is important, just as the world needs AS people to function , we need NT people.


Not exactly. I see in no way how aspies are unable to do some jobs NTs can do, as we are as different as them.



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26 Jul 2010, 4:18 pm

Ferdinand wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Genetic and neurological diversity is important, just as the world needs AS people to function , we need NT people.


Not exactly. I see in no way how aspies are unable to do some jobs NTs can do, as we are as different as them.
It is not about jobs.


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26 Jul 2010, 5:04 pm

Ferdinand, it's a matter of what you notice and what you can do with it. Sure, you can have Aspies who farm, Aspies who cook, etc. You can have NTs who do that, too.

But we don't do it the same way. NTs learn things differently, and NTs are better at different things. Which would you rather have-- an NT programmer who makes mistakes and wastes time socializing? Or an Aspie? But on the other hand, would you rather have an Aspie advice columnist?! Sure, it's possible. But it might not be the most efficient use of resources.

NTs are really good at certain things. Recognizing faces, for instance; they almost all have a savant-like ability to completely memorize a face after one exposure. Tell me that's not really useful. Similarly, NTs have more adaptive reactions to certain stimuli. Also, although I plan to someday be one, I am a little leery at the thought of an Aspie mother. Could happen; should happen, at least sometimes. But...

Also, NTs are generalists. Passing familiarity with a lot of subjects. Having an NT on hand might help to see where something could be useful, not to mention having them fill the role of "average five-year-old advisor" (if I ever seek to rule the world, I will ask an average five-year-old to point out the flaws in my plan). Aspies can do that too, but differently.

Remember, if you completely eliminate any trace of NT from the population, you'll have completely isolated, theory-of-mind-less, useless, stupid, lowest-possible-functioning-ever Auties (who don't even exist in real life). Just like if you get rid of all traces of autism, you're stuck with vapid, needy, stupid (see a pattern?), useless NTs who can barely (if at all) feed themselves.

People function best when they've got a balance. Extreme NTs have a place, however irritating they may be. Extreme auties have a place, however difficult it may be to convince the NTs of that. But mostly we need the interaction between us.


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26 Jul 2010, 5:10 pm

I would go, but only to visit.
For two reasons.

First reason by far, because I'd be going to another planet.
Second reason, it would be interesting to see how an AS civilization would be, or any human civilization for that matter thats not on earth, and dealing with any differences on this other planet.



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26 Jul 2010, 5:17 pm

But would first-generation deportees have such a culture? Most likely, it would be a disaster. Still interesting, but...

I am very interested in the thought of how society would work if it were all or mostly Aspies, and maybe the place would end up that way... but not in my lifetime. The first generation would be no better than a group of unrelated NTs suddenly thrown together in a new and unfamiliar place. *shudder*

The big thing that sticks out to me about that is that not all of us think alike, just as not all NTs think alike. A true Aspie culture would have aspects that differed from any other true Aspie culture. There would be stupid, arbitrary, even weird aspects... kind of like in NT cultures.


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26 Jul 2010, 5:27 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:
Ferdinand, it's a matter of what you notice and what you can do with it. Sure, you can have Aspies who farm, Aspies who cook, etc. You can have NTs who do that, too.

But we don't do it the same way. NTs learn things differently, and NTs are better at different things. Which would you rather have-- an NT programmer who makes mistakes and wastes time socializing? Or an Aspie? But on the other hand, would you rather have an Aspie advice columnist?! Sure, it's possible. But it might not be the most efficient use of resources.

NTs are really good at certain things. Recognizing faces, for instance; they almost all have a savant-like ability to completely memorize a face after one exposure. Tell me that's not really useful. Similarly, NTs have more adaptive reactions to certain stimuli. Also, although I plan to someday be one, I am a little leery at the thought of an Aspie mother. Could happen; should happen, at least sometimes. But...

Also, NTs are generalists. Passing familiarity with a lot of subjects. Having an NT on hand might help to see where something could be useful, not to mention having them fill the role of "average five-year-old advisor" (if I ever seek to rule the world, I will ask an average five-year-old to point out the flaws in my plan). Aspies can do that too, but differently.

Remember, if you completely eliminate any trace of NT from the population, you'll have completely isolated, theory-of-mind-less, useless, stupid, lowest-possible-functioning-ever Auties (who don't even exist in real life). Just like if you get rid of all traces of autism, you're stuck with vapid, needy, stupid (see a pattern?), useless NTs who can barely (if at all) feed themselves.

People function best when they've got a balance. Extreme NTs have a place, however irritating they may be. Extreme auties have a place, however difficult it may be to convince the NTs of that. But mostly we need the interaction between us.


Wise words.

I think that part of the reason our species spread out and conquered the earth despite being weak, slow, blind, deaf, can't smell, no sense of direction, can't fly, can't swim is because there is such staggering variety in the human mind. (That and we're omnivores. :lol: ) There is neural variety on the autism spectrum but I don't think enough to carry civilization. There have to be people who notice detail and pattern and how physical things fit together. There also have to be people who can get a large and unwieldy group to hang together as a unit despite the diversity of its members. There have to be people who make odd connections and people who make art that others find inspiring. There have to be people who are very good at recognizing faces and reading expressions of strangers and there have to be people who are very good at differentiating one species of edible plant from another species of very similar looking but toxic plant. And so on. Our neurological diversity is our collective strength.