I think I know the NT perspective now after some deep convol

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I think I know the NT perspective now after some deep convoluted perspectives and views i have encountered in my 22.6 years living in this world.

When an NT wakes up and enters the day, the school, the job, the game, life in general, they their eyes are a window to a very active mind/ brain.

They have a different energy from the ASpies and auties. their energy comes from the back of their head, their subconscious, their ICEBERG.

Theyre behavior, their emotion, and their social behavior, all come from deep in the iceberg, the subconscious mind.
They dont have things holding them back, like their thoughts for example, do not work against them, but for them, in every invisible way which the autistic do not know of or rarley experience on an automatic level.

Their subconscious knows that they are human and peer to peer relations are on top of their list,

their language skills, rhetoric skills, and social skills all come from an unthinking mind, their behaviors, automatic from their social existence, their emotions, connections to their friends and memories, are all unthinking, and all connected in their minds.

The power that you see as they talk loud, with knowing and confidence, comes from a purpose, a driven purpose, to live, live life to the fullest, respect and power are in the unthinking mind, and live as like the heart beats, without conscious effort.

Convoluted obsessive thinking will destroy this way of mind, which is created from LACK of the above, which cause the AS to back away into a corner, as the NT thrive.

Interesting.

Last edited by Ferdinand on 29 Jul 2010, 8:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

In other words, living in "automatic pilot mode" equals a successful social life?

That's...frightening.

And people with AS are supposed to be "robot-like."

I happen to agree that for the most part, they do run on auto-pilot, and yes, this can cause them to be relatively successful in life.

They are quite good at doing normal every day things, but there are disadvantages to this.
They may have better theory of mind but they are lacking in concept of world.

I happen to agree that for the most part, they do run on auto-pilot, and yes, this can cause them to be relatively successful in life.

They are quite good at doing normal every day things, but there are disadvantages to this.
They may have better theory of mind but they are lacking in concept of world.

Very well-put.

Sigh...think I'll watch IDIOCRACY now.

I think we were put into manual throw into the copit and given the thumbs up sign. We they had to fly with out know a damn thing about the social stuff.

subconscious is a very general term,NT are not automatons,they have their reasons and since peer to peer relations it's at the bottom of their list and they completely lack 'theory of the mind' capabilities they deploy automatic or established fixed protocol for handling inter and outer connection ,
If u r unable to see,feel and care of another person u have to rely on rigid,pre agreed protocols and that what NT do but since the "pro's" who research autism are themselves NT's they are doing one of the most common NT's thing which is to blame other for your short coming/
the shrinks are not aware of that process because it is subconscious and they typically knows nothing about subconsciousness so the mere fact that u r different from most of the herd point to you as the one having it wrong,"professionals" are known to mistake conformism with moral values because most of them totally lack any moral bone or originality(it's the same) so all they can do is measure your distance from the herd and label it with assorted abbreviation,most people call this science,i'll bet on everything i have that in the not so far future most people would get what a cruel joke this stupid "scientists" were.

NT's are thinking and feeling but are trapped inside a their contradictions bubble which make them blind to themselves and to others
for instance
everyone use the "others" in order to win the "others" because everybody strive for some imaginary top
this is considered as necessary social skills and healthy behavior though anyone with half a brain would see that it's the source of most of the suffering in the world
since NT so not have even half a brain they can not grasp that true relationships based on true cooperation would bring everyone much higher than the top
that why for the time being all we can do is wait in our corner for them to go the way the dino's went
and/or
seek and established an autistic values based relationships with on another and build a better society regardless of them.

Not only interesting as Ferdinand pointed out, but creative as well. A bit trollish, true, but passionate nonetheless. Applause.

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I feel offended.

I greatly value thinking, and very much believe that it is not detrimental to a successful life.

I disagree that all NTs are stupid, and acting emotionally from unconscious drives rather than considering their actions. It's possible, but if I would like to be given the benefit of the doubt, I must give others the benefit of the doubt as well.

Their social skills do not come from an unthinking mind. Incredibly complex patterns of behavior can be generated automatically, as experiments in animals have shown. However, it strains credulity to think that NTs can manage the incredibly complex dance of socialization without any conscious thought at any point in their lives. A great part must be unconscious, obviously, but they still know what they're doing, even if they don't understand it in words, and even if they don't think as they execute preplanned routines.

I guess it comes down to what you mean. They're unthinking in the same way that, say, a great fencer is unthinking during a match.

However, I do not see power as they talk loud (at least, not all that often). I disagree with the assumption that NTs are full of an unconscious Id drive to live life to the fullest, any more than Aspies. Have you seen the number of depressed NTs out there?

Yet another thread full of over-generalisations about people who happen to be different [in this case, NTs].

Being NT =/= automatons or being stupid.

Being ASD =/= enlightened or superior.

This guy is a troll, I guess, but I'm usually more successful when I'm on autopilot. Keeps me from obsessing about things.

I think everybody has an active mind/brain unless they have been sedated by drugs or injurious trauma.



Wait, what? Everybody has an active subconscious.




If this were true, psychologists would be out of business. Being held back by subconscious thoughts is very common.



All humans know that they are human


True. They are at the top of the list once other urgent physical needs have been met such as hunger.



What is subconscious is the decoding step in social interactions. NTs access an unconscious library to "just know" the meaning of facial expressions, body language and vocal intonation in a social interaction. Posters frequently describe the problem with that as NT people assume they are "angry" or "sad" or another incorrect interpretation of emotion based on how things are labeled in this unconscious library. But that doesn't mean that everything else is unconscious. It is simply this one step that has been automated. What is experienced as multi-tasking by people on the autism spectrum (trying to figure out what an expression/gesture/intonation means while simultaneously trying to think of what to say) is experienced as single-tasking by NTs. But single-tasking is not the same thing as autopilot.



Now you sound like a Tony Robbins infomercial. The reason that he and others selling personal empowerment have gotten so rich is because this isn't the norm for most people. (Though it may very well be the norm for Tony Robbins. At least he says it is.)



Overthinking things can get in the way of actually experiencing them, since there is that layer of "chattering monkey mind" in the way. However, this experience that you describe is not how most people go about their lives.

Being able to decode expressions etc. without conscious thought certainly does make social interaction smoother and enjoyable. But the rest of that stuff does not follow.

I'm not NT and I think and interpret the wourld mainly on a subconsious level. Taking action, however, usually requires a conscious effort.