Did anybody here become autistic after vaccinations?

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I was just wondering if anybody here became autistic after they got the vaccinations, meaning you were very much an NT kid then all of a sudden changed into an Autistic kid? I find it soo weird that vaccinations are making some children autistic, and other children don't get affected at all. It doesn't make any sense. I was born with autism, its genetic, I'm pretty sure haha. I hated being held, would scream until you put me down, try to scratch your eyes out.

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i'll remember not to pick you up then!

seriously though.... i dont know... maybe, i think i was always 'odd'....

There is no scientific link between vaccinations and autism. The study that suggested that was a complete load of crap.

Correlation does not imply causation. Autism tends to first become obviously visible at around 18 months. Toddlers also get a big round of vaccinations at 18 months. Parents see the vaccines, their kids then become visibly autistic, and they draw the connection. But in fact there is no connection. Had the children not been vaccinated, they still have started to show symptoms of autism at the same time. The study that initially showed a link was fatally flawed, only one of the authors still endorses the study, and the journal that published it has disavowed the paper. Numerous other studies have shown that there is no link.

fair enough....

i wont blame my parents for now

needs more research methinks...

I don't think we'll have an answer on the relationship between vaccinations and autism for a while. Or an answer on the genetics.

My take is that autism is a developmental disorder - something blocks the 'normal' or typical development of the nervous system. It seems that there is an autoimmune component of autism. It is not clear if that autoimmune destruction of some nerve cells is the driving factor of autism - maybe.

That change in the way the body develops can occur at various times - it could occur before birth or after. Which may or may not be genetic, or the result of a genetic predisposition.

For most autistic kids, the initial differences are subtle enough that it may not be recognized initially. Kids naturally hit certain phases of development at certain ages. And most commonly, the differences become apparent after a kid reaches an age where they have gotten some vaccines. So it is only natural that some parents link the deficit with various vaccines that were given around the time, or a few months before they notice the autism. That mental linkage does not mean that the vaccines did or did not cause the problem.

I personally don't think the mercury (thimerosal) in children's vaccines is the main factor that causes or triggers autism. But here is an interesting study that found that if the pertussis bacteria protein (used in the DPT vaccine) is given at the same time that egg protein is in the blood, the body will develop a persistent immune response to that egg protein.

The research has been done. It's proven. Vaccines have nothing to do with autism spectrum disorders, and perpetuating that myth is very dangerous from a public health perspective. There have already been outbreaks in London of diseases (notably mumps) which are normally vaccinated against in childhood because parents were afraid of vaccines causing autism. Children have died because of this myth. It's not true, and treating it with anything other than contempt is dangerous. If I sound angry, it's because I am.

Age1600, everyone's different - of course some are going to show symptoms outside of a certain age range, but that doesn't mean it isn't relatively common for the really visible symptoms to appear at around 18 months.

No, the immune/autoimmune component of autism has not been disproven. In fact, the possibilty that there is some type of immune switch that gets flipped is very real, and supported by evidence. Vaccines cannot be said to be completely unrelated to autism - someday perhaps that will be the conclusion, but at this point, that is premature.

Yes, not getting vaccines has risk. So does getting them. There are a lot of unknowns about the true risk levels for vaccines.

Here is a recent study that found for 53 children with ASDs, mothers with an Rh negative blood type were 2.4 times more likely to give birth to a child that eventually showed some type of autism. Also interesting was the fact that all 53 mothers had taken a thimersol containing vaccine while pregnant to prevent them from having a possible immune reaction to blood from the child they were carrying. This does not prove that thimerosol or Rhod(D) globulin are the cause (maybe, maybe not). Combine it with the other research on autoantibodies to nerve protein that is found in high levels in ASD, and the immune system is clearly an arena to study.

One study I read, which had a fairly large sample, studied vaccinations and regression. They didn't find a correlation between the two but did recognize this "regression". However, they found that the vast majority of children who regressed still had subtler autistic traits prior to regressing. They were just subtle enough to not raise any parental alarm bells.

On the subject of vaccination, I have been studying this a bit-- including the immunology of ASCs-- and believe there could be some connection between vaccination (be it the attenuated viruses or a heavy metal agent) which could be causally linked to an alteration in one's condition, increasing ASC traits. I still believe it is autism from birth, even if subtle. But it was well-known in the accepted literature that vaccinations have been linked to a triggering of autoimmune disorders. And if indeed there is an immune/autoimmune component to some peoples' autism, it makes sense than an environmental agent could affect the etiology.

The problem is I think too many parents are so desperate and illogically willing enough to blame EVERYTHING on a vaccine or a toxic agent. This I find no evidence for.

These larger studies-- which might I remind are carried out by the CDC, who has a vested interested in continuing childhood vaccinations-- seem to me poorly inconclusive because they are not looking for subtle variety and look simply for larger correlatives, which yield no results. They look for strict occurrence rather than by degree.

The studies which I've read still are small but many, so more research is needed. However, most agree there are abnormalities with the immune system and methylation pathways linked with ASC. Whether this is only for a portion of individuals or actually ends up being integral to the development of all ASCs, only time and good solid research will tell.

As for myself, personally, my mother noted a change in my personality following the DPT. At the time, in the media, there was a big scare linking the Pertussis vaccine to MR. Since then, that vaccine has had an "update" and is even more attenuated (weakened). However, I was always a strange infant/child and had inner ear infections and allergy since my early days. To me, if I did have an immune or oxidative reaction to any part of the DPT, it might've been something to effect the course of my development, but I was always autistic and meant to be. But I can't say for certain it had no effect. Though I suspect if it did, since my mother refused the second pertussis dose, it was little to none.

I used to deny any links between vaccination and ASC. But I got over that because I realized the only reason I thought that wasn't based on evidence but was because I didn't want there to be a link, implying that we are damaged and not truly meant to be autistic. But even though I now think vaccination could be one part of a larger picture, it doesn't make me feel I-- or any of us-- are damaged. Because we, as humans, do not grow up in vacuums, EVERY PART OF OUR PERSON is affected by our environment; it is a constant interaction of biology and environment and they are two sides of the same coin. So why couldn't a vaccine be a part of that? To me, this idea no longer makes me defensive.

Again, correlation does not imply causation. Were thermisol and other vaccinations to blame, you'd expect lower rates of autism in countries such as Sweden, which never allowed thermisol, and which have different vaccine regimens. You don't see a difference in the rate of autism. It's the same. Is there a connection between autism and these things entering the blood stream? Possibly. But that doesn't mean one doesn't cause the other.