Champix & Zyban, Depression and Quitting Smoking

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04 May 2007, 6:51 am

Hi,

My boyfriend suffers from severe clinical depression. He has tried anti-depressants in the past, and despite helping him sleep (and making him put on weight!) they didn't actually help his depression.

He has mild AS tendencies, but neither he or me (I'm a diagnosed aspie) feel that it is enough of an issue for him to be pursue diagnosis.

Anyway, he is trying to quit smoking and the nicotine patches and gum don't work for him.

Champix has been suggested but I've read, and had it confirmed by a doctor that this can worsen depression.

The other possible suggestion is Zyban / Wellbutrin / Buproprion because this is an antidepressant, so may be worth him trying for his depression, but also has been used to help people give up smoking and other addictive tendencies (of which he has quite a few!).

But one doctor said Zyban could worsen his depression - which I thought was odd.

My question is: has anyone had any positive / negative experiences with Zyban relating to depression and giving up smoking? Please would you share your experiences?

Has anyone tried any other medication for giving up smoking? Was it successful? Did it affect your depression, or any aspect of your mental health?

Thanks, I'd really appreciate your advice and suggestions.



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04 May 2007, 7:29 am

you know, just quitting can be traumatic in itself. looking back i would have found it hard to distinguish the giving-up symptoms from a drug-related symptom. nicotine lozenges worked for me, you just have to stick with it, and not get addicted to the nicotine in the cigarette substitute. i started smoking again though after about 2 yrs, so will be having another go in about a month. life is better without smelly cigarettes, good luck!



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04 May 2007, 7:49 am

A problem with nicotine replacement products is they only replace nicotine and ciggarette smoke has potent mono amine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors. That prevent the break down of dopamine. So you simply can not get the same effect from the patches and gum.

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/smokemao.htm

That might suggest using a MAO inhibor could help.

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[Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2002 Sep;163(2):213-20. Epub 2002 Jul 13.
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Effects of selegiline (L-deprenyl) during smoking and short-term abstinence.
Houtsmuller EJ, Thornton JA, Stitzer ML.

Behavioral Pharmacology Research Unit, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Bayview Medical Center, 5510 Nathan Shock Drive, Baltimore, MD 21224-6823, USA. [email protected]

RATIONALE: Changes in dopamine level are thought to play an important role in both smoking reward and withdrawal symptoms during abstinence. Medications that modulate dopamine levels may have beneficial effects on both withdrawal symptom levels and on response to smoking lapses during abstinence. OBJECTIVES: To examine the effects of the selective MAO-B inhibitor selegiline on withdrawal symptoms, smoking behavior and smoking satisfaction ratings. METHODS: Fifteen smokers received selegiline (10 mg/day) and placebo (in counterbalanced order) on Monday through Thursday of 2 study weeks, separated by a 2-week washout. During each study week, ad lib smoking sessions were scheduled to assess smoking behavior both before and after a brief period of abstinence. Subjective withdrawal symptoms and mood were measured daily, and a modified Stroop test sensitive to withdrawal was scheduled during the period of abstinence. RESULTS: Selegiline decreased craving, especially during abstinence, and impaired performance on the modified Stroop test during subjects' attempts to abstain. Medication also reduced number of cigarettes smoked and smoking satisfaction ratings during the smoking sessions both before and after the brief abstinence attempt. CONCLUSION: These results are consistent with an important role of dopamine in smoking behavior and abstinence. They suggest that pharmacological reduction of MAO-B levels during the early part of a quit attempt may aid in smoking cessation.

PMID: 12202968 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


You might could find a doctor to prescribe selegiline/deprenyl off label to treat smoking addiction and depression. Usually higher doses are needed for depression. I took 10 mg daily for many years (as an experimental treatment for social phobia). There is a new skin patch version of deprenyl for depression called EMSAM. Not sure if its current available in the US or not.

http://www.selegiline.com/transdermalbrain.html


I taken wellbutrin in various dose upto the very high 500 mg daily. I was not impressed with its anti-depressant action myself but its worth a try to if your husband is desperate.



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04 May 2007, 9:22 am

Thanks, I appreciate your input.

And TheMachine1 - thank you for your amazingly detailed and learned advice!

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04 May 2007, 9:29 am

http://www.emsam.com/

Seems Emsam is available now. Being a new medicine I fear its expensive.

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q= ... &scoring=p

Yeah like $15 a day. But the pill form would be less than a dollar a day.

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&sa ... &scoring=p



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04 May 2007, 10:39 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
A problem with nicotine replacement products is they only replace nicotine and ciggarette smoke has potent mono amine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors. That prevent the break down of dopamine. So you simply can not get the same effect from the patches and gum.


i can vouch for this from experience. its not the same feeling, but there is still *something*, it did help me. i actually got addicted to the replacement but i figured it was not as nasty as the smoke so didnt mind too much.



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04 May 2007, 11:25 am

i would be very wary about taking zyban. a friend of my girlfriend tried it to help her stop smoking about 5 or so years ago, and she didn't sleep for more than a week and had some other rather serious and extreme side affects, including episodes of mild psychosis among other things. needless to say she stopped taking it after a few weeks and as far as i know is still smoking...

a google search brought up this page from a forum on the website of a uk law firm, some may take this with a pinch of salt, but i have heard first hand of someone having similar experiences as some of these people.

http://alexanderharris.co.uk/thread.asp?forum=12

i smoke, and i can say from personal experience it is truly hellish trying to give up, so good luck to your boyfriend.


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12 Aug 2010, 3:18 am

Quitting smoking is not that easy because he is a nicotine addict. Nicotine addiction causes changes in the brain that makes him want more and more nicotine. To overcome the cravings, dedication and medication are the cure.