My grandma - showing autistic traits, or just an old person?

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16 Aug 2010, 9:51 am

While I was at my parents' this weekend, my mom was telling me some of her frustrations with dealing with her mother. It made me wonder about genetic links to the autistic spectrum. Then again, maybe she's just being a typical stubborn old lady.

She's lives roughly 3 hours away from either of her daughters. She's lived alone, in a trailer, on a fairly large piece of land, since the 70's. The trailer is way past the age that it should still be lived in. She likes to keep it fixed up in her own way, and won't move.

She won't drive long distances, so whenever she visits, either my mom or my aunt picks her up. She acts like it's such a big deal to visit, and they have to play it right, or else she'll refuse. I don't really understand why it's so hard to get her out of her own lonely environment. She loves the company (though I suspect she fears over-stimulation around my cousin's children), but she really has nothing to worry about, or anything of value at her place. Yet she does worry tremendously about her place, or at least, those are excuses that she comes up with. From my perspective, she really has no good excuse to refuse a visit.

My mom was telling me about a scenario this past week where my grandma was worried because she scheduled a haircut in the middle of the day, when it would be hot. She didn't want to go when it was hot, but she was worried that canceling the appointment would be some huge deal, and my mom really had to convince her to call and reschedule. Related to the same situation, she wouldn't schedule a doctor's appointment until after the haircut. In other words, she wants only one appointment to exist at a time.

Speaking of doctors, she hates going to the doctor and taking medicine, despite the fact that she used to be a nurse.

She doesn't have air conditioning, and despite years of trying to get her to move to a new place, she won't do it. She complains about not sleeping, especially in the summer, when it's hot. Apparently she barely sleeps about every other night.

She doesn't seem to understand anything modern, or much humor.

Something I've always found interesting is that she burps all the time with no comment or apology. I've always had a hard time stopping myself from drawing my mom's attention to it, because she gets on my case for that too, and I wish she'd make an exception for me because her own mother does it! While I personally feel burping shouldn't be considered rude, it's interesting that a delicate little old lady wouldn't even think about it. An example of being unaware of social standards?

She acts like she doesn't deserve things, and won't improve her situation, despite being very alone. I'm not sure if many of these traits could be autistic in nature, or if she's just being a typical stubborn old lady. I feel I don't have much in common with her, even among these traits... I feel I exhibit different autistic traits. But even still, it would be interesting to see some potential hereditary links, if I do have AS or something else on the spectrum.



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16 Aug 2010, 11:40 am

I think your speculation related to your grandmother is quite rational, and maybe even accurate. She was not so old back in the '70s, and I would guess she was showing those kinds of symptoms even before then. In any case, it has just been over this past year here at WP that I have begun to understand the "Why?" behind these kinds of things about myself and even my elderly mother-in-law:

DonDud wrote:
... lives ... away from either of her daughters ... alone ...
... trailer is way past the age that it should still be lived in ... fixed up in her own way, and won't move.
... won't drive long distances ...
... acts like it's such a big deal to visit, and [others] have to play it right, or else she'll refuse ...
... hard to get her out of her own lonely environment.

... worried because she scheduled a haircut in the middle of the day, when it would be hot.
... worried that canceling the appointment would be some huge deal ...
... wants only one appointment to exist at a time.
... hates going to the doctor and taking medicine ...

... despite years of trying to get her to move to a new place, she won't do it.
... doesn't seem to understand anything modern, or much humor.
... burps all the time with no comment or apology.
... acts like she doesn't deserve things, and won't improve her situation, despite being very alone.


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16 Aug 2010, 11:59 am

It might be 'spectrum related', or it might simply be the isolation of living alone far from society. I've known several elderly people living in similar conditions, and when they live completely alone like that for long periods, they literally forget how to behave around other people. The superstitious type behavior over appointments suggests Autistic leanings, but again, its hard to say, because isolation does strange things to people over time. As does age itself.



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16 Aug 2010, 5:07 pm

most nans are 'quirky'. that is what is so great about them



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16 Aug 2010, 5:18 pm

Sounds like more of a age thing but at the same time, it could actually be she might be on the spectrum?
But this I'm not too sure about? :scratch:


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16 Aug 2010, 5:26 pm

I have wondered the same thing about my mother in law. She is 82 now, and I have only known her for 8 yrs. It seems that since my father in law passed away 3 yrs ago, her behavior seems a bit eccentric. They were married for 54 yrs, so that could be it. Also, I wonder if I am just analyzing or noticing things since my son was diagnosed as ASD and I have been looking at the family trees on both sides trying to see some connections. I feel that my husband and brother in law have some Aspie traits going on, and now I wonder about her too.

The last 2 yrs in a row, she has made a road trip with another relative for my son's birthday. When we had the actual party, she didn't come downstairs. I just didn't know if it was from overstimulation from the little kids or what. Then when she is visiting, she spends most of her time reading. She does talk some here and there, but spends most of the time reading. Also, I did not see her cry at all when her husband of 54 yrs passed away.

The other thing is that she has basically blown off all of my concerns about my sons development, which makes me feel that she thinks I am a hypochondriac.

I guess if someone is 82, and has made it this far, then who cares????? But I have wondered about it.



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17 Aug 2010, 3:10 am

I was about to finally go to bed, but read this and just had to say WOW! haha

My grandmother is 87 yrs old...after my son was diagnosed I started seeing signs on my mother's side of the family...never on my father's side (they were just jerks! hehe)...Anyway, I would go to a store with her and she had to touch EVERYTHING...everything fuzzy, everything scratchy, everything smooth...and I thought "WTH? Didn't the doctor say my son did this with picking up leaves, rocks, etc...because he needed that sensory stimulation???" We went to Disney with her and it was like having TWO kids with us...actually, I think I was more stressed with her than my son...hehe...I love her dearly...but I notice more and more things about her everyday.

For example, she complains about her son ALL THE TIME...the one who is living who I am 100% sure is an ASPIE...about how he goes on and on and on talking about subjects nobody cares about (well, I do....hehe)...but then I realize than when she is with us or with some of our friends, she will NOT stop talking about HER interests...she MUST be the center of attention...or at least talk and talk and talk...of course, she doesn't like her son because he is just like her!

She TOO burps constantly without a single EXCUSE ME! It drives me NUTS! My husband and I just look at each other like WTH? Yet she always talks about all the famous people where we live that they were neighbors and friends with, etc...

She forgets stuff ALL THE TIME...but no, it's not because she is old...she has NOTHING wrong with her...not a single disease at all...she takes NO PILLS...no high blood pressure, no diabetes, nothing...

She hardly visits us even though she claims we are her favorites, especially my husband...Heck, if she was my age I wouldn't let her anywhere NEAR my husband...hehe...she goes out to places where she can be the center of attention...ie. with her friends who don't have alot of money so she can show off her money...hmmm...I don't know if that is autistic as much as self-centered...my mom does the same (I think my mother is ALSO autistic).

Anyway, I do believe that even though many people always assume this comes from the dad's side, it can also come from the mom's side...as there is no doubt that my mom's side had it all over...by the way, her son has 4 grandchildren...1 has been diagnosed officially with autism...1 is not diagnosed because he is verbal, but has constant complaints for innapropriate play, anger, etc...at school...and tons of allergies that are undiagnosed...hehe...BOTH of his daughters I believe are AS undiagnosed...

My brother I believe is 100% AS...my sister? Not. She is my dad's favorite and I now know why...My deceased uncle was NT...that was my grandmother's favorite...

I have so many things that I see with her that are autistic traits it's not even funny...but heck, she's 87 and I'm not opening that can of worms with her now...I did try to explain to her about her son but she wouldn't listen...not much I can do.



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17 Aug 2010, 9:49 am

That is too much! My MIL does the same thing----complains that her oldest son who I believe is AS talks on and on and on.......

It does make you stop to consider that AS/autism has been around for a long time. I am wondering if over time, the genes are just mutating more and now it has reached a larger percentage of cases? Or with all of the communication that we have now, people are just more aware and talking about it more.

As far as the older generations having AS traits, I think at this point, what is the point of bringing it up with them?



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17 Aug 2010, 12:17 pm

I agree about bringing it up with people like my 87yr old grandmother...I do however feel bad for my uncle because he is the "blacksheep" of the family because of it...and he's actually a very nice person that freaks out, etc...I wish that others took the time to see it so that they wouldn't be so mean to him... javascript:emoticon(':o')