Discrimination

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This seems to be a hard thing to grasp for some people on here, so i'll explain it..

"discriminate v. make or see different (between); single out for different treatment." - The Oxford School Dictionary

"discrimination n. 1. the act of discriminating 2. the making of a difference in particular cases, as in favour of or against a person or thing: discrimination against the poor..." - Macquarie Pocket Dictionary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

Some people on here are just so bloody stupid they get angry at some people for doing something, then go and do it themselves.

Some people are hypocrites, yes.

OK, I'll bite...

But you may have to explain a little more:

If discrimination is so awful, why is "indiscriminate" a bad word?

Tom Leherer noted just one of the difficulties:
"...the army has carried the American democratic ideal to its logical conclusion in the sense that not only do they prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race, creed, and color, but also on the grounds of ability."

If I stop, as I not infrequently have to try to, someone driving on the grounds that they have inadequate vision, I am discriminating between them and someone with better eyesight. I am not treating them the same. I use my discrimination to decide which eyes are ill and need medical treatment. It would be utterly wrong to treat them all the same.

Discriminating between mushrooms and toadstools is generally considered wise.

No, the word and its usage is not totally simple. The above are relatively easy but as the Wikipedia article itself notes, other cases are far from being so straightforward. Should non-citizens have the same rights as citizens, or should one discriminate between the two classes?

(For another simple idea word that is not at all simple, try "democracy")

It's ok to discriminate on grounds of ability as Wikipedia also stated. Yeah well it depends on what context you use them in "I have a discriminating taste" that just means you like certian foods "It was an indiscriminate slaughter" that just means that anybody was killed, which is in a way bad.

This wasn't about the outside world, this was strictly a poorly veiled attack on some of the people on here (Note that if I was attacking all of the people on here by lumping everyone into the same group) say "All aspies are stupid" that would be discrimination and people recognise that, but it seems that some people on here think it's ok for them to do it to other groups saying for example that all NTs are the same or assuming that all NTs act the same way, or even in that really good case in the thread about why that guy wasn't getting a girl and almost EVERYONE seemed to be assuming that the other gender acts a certian way (Sexism) or should. I noticed maybe one post that wasn't like that and it got completely ignored from what I could see.

I'm not crazy about discrimination against NTs. I've been around NTs my whole life. Instead of seeing them as Monsters, I've learned to adapt. I think that everybody can learn lessons from one another. It's all a part of "The School of Life".

Discrimination isn't just thinking they're "monsters" that's what i've been trying to get at, just thinking any group of people is all the same is discrimination, I mean say you see a bunch of black people, saying all black people are gay or stupid would be discrimination, or saying all gay people are girlish would be discrimination, saying all men are stupid is sexism which is a form of discrimination and saying anyone who isn't religious is stupid is just as bad as saying anyone who is religious is stupid.

Remember that there are four types of discrimination:

Nonprejudiced nondiscrimation --> "All people are equal and employ conduct that illustrates this belief"

Nonprejudiced discrimination --> "All people are equal, but I'll still participate in discrimination for an act because I fail to see the discriminatory consequences of the act."

Prejudiced nondiscrimination --> "All people are not equal, but I'll only refrain from a discriminatory act because I could get in trouble legally."

Prejudiced discrimination --> "All people are not equal, and we all have a right to discriminate."

When most people think of discrimination, they tend to refer to "prejudiced discrimination," because that is what defines a racist or bigot.

Also, discrimination refers to something that the person can't change, such as skin color or disability. If the term discrimination is used for any other reference, it is a red herring ... "It's discrimination! I can't smoke in this place because they made laws saying I can't!" ... That's actually a fallacy, because smoking laws aren't discriminating against anyone, but rather anyone is allowed in the place so long as they don't smoke, just as most places won't allow someone in without a shirt, yet I never hear "discrimination" used in that manner, and maybe that's because people have been sensitized to the fact that "not wearing a shirt is a health hazard." It has not yet set in for those who smoke.

If people opened their eyes, then a good protest in favor of smoking laws would be to walk in a store without shirt or shoes and say "Hey, you're discriminating against me! Just as they're doing to smokers!"

- Ray M -

Yes, I'm afraid you've hit my interest, ok obsession, for using language with care and delving into its meaning. Attempting to improve communication, but tending to go too far: oh well, there's Aspie for you.



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Seen one way that shows AS types (of which there are an extensive range) have much in common (perhaps unfortunately) with the rest of humanity.

I'm not sure that's strictly discrimination, though. Prejudice might be a more precise word. Not taking the time and effort to consider individuals as such, as showing variety one from another. The prejudice might be against or in favour of any given group or characteristic. In one sense it's exactly not discrimination, because a whole class is being indiscriminately being lumped together.

Prejudices are pervasive. (People with glasses tend to be seen as more intelligent...)
And these and other assessments are what we use to make discriminatory choices.
Which ones we SHOULD make, now that goes straight to the heart of ethics, and society.

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