right brained aspergers?
does ANYBODY out there have any links/info/articles/forums/blogs/books on right brained (left handed) aspergers, and how it may differ from most asperger cases, due to the fact that 9 of 10 people are left brained (right handed)???
it's something that's been on my mind a while, but for the life of me i cant locate any information on this...
any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Left-handed, doesn't necessarily mean that you are right-brain dominant. Left vs. right brain dominance, seems to be distributed fairly evenly throughout the human population, but there are far more right-handed people, that lefts. I'm right-brain dominant and right-handed. I'm not sure why, or how, this works. Maybe later, I'll do some reading on this, to try and find an explanation.
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thank you for looking into that; i appreciate it.
i agree with your statement; let me clarify and articulate: i am left handed, yes, and that does not preclude me from possibly being left brained; this is indeed correct. and vice versa. natural proclivity does not always equate to the most commonly assumed results. fair enough.
i am very right brained, and very left handed. i specifically want to know if there is any studied, documented hypothesized difference between very right brained and very left brained people with aspergers.
i am verbally well texted, and i have a love for words. words to me, is chocolate to women! hehe ie: words are intoxicating. language is amazing. lyrics and poetry; dreamy...
numbers; ugh; dont get me started; i'll just summarize it by saying i cant stand math! it doesn't compute! (sorry, bad pun...) it's not that i dont try, and i try and try everyday. but computing numbers is my weakness. there; i said it.
so anyways; i just wonder if perhaps there could be a correlation to these characteristics of mine, and my being very right brained; just something i been thinking a lot about lately; that's all. And also, if there are markeded differences between left brained and right brained aspergians. i think it would be interesting to read something on this; if there is anything out there on it, that is...
that's all...
thanks!
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Hello. I am very right brained...(ok there is bit of cross-dominance..but I think it might be because I might also have some damage to that hemisphere..(only a theory based upon the fact that I have had a couplea head injuries and my dominant left eye is also my really really bad eye...poss. due to injury)According to tests though, my left eye is dominant
....am very left handed....(ok..sorta ambidextious..will lose track of which hand I am using for things)...but use my left hand for almost everything but guitar playing ...but can switch off on some stuff, like batting bowling, eating, hand-sewing etc...
Anywhoo...yeah...I am chronicly artistic...and have enough drawing/writing notebooks to way overflow one of those jumbo plastic storage tubs......and I completely completely suck at math...i loved finding the term dyscalculea...woohoo...am pretty sure I have it.
AND..I have a bunch of Aspie symptoms....like difficulty bonding with other people(social anxiety)...I walk on my toes...I am emotionally like a 32 year old teenager...I avoid eye contact...I stim, I have bad motor skills, I don't drive a car (the world is better off)...(i know that is not ness. an AS symptom)...ummm...I have obsessions...I can be very repetative....blah blah blah....
Instead of becoming obsessed with gathering information and such, I get involved with very obsessive art projects...like my sock creatures that I have been doing for the last 7 years...before that, i spent a few years obsessively organizing elaborate theme concerts...before that I was heavily caught up in the routine of being in a working band for 10 years...
I have wondered the same things about right-brained Aspies..
Having read this article - I gain the impression that the left brain (right handed) is autistic but the right is NT.
http://www.rense.com/general2/rb.htm
"...the left cortex might make sparser, short-range connections with their neighbours, while cells on the other side would be more richly and widely connected.
The result would be that the representation of sensations, memories and even motor plans would be confined to smallish, discrete areas in the left hemisphere, while exactly the same input to a corresponding area of the right side would form a sprawling, even impressionistic, pattern of activity."
Thus, it appears that the left brain focuses on details while the right brain is good at the global gist. Increased modularization - due to short brain cell connections, rather then long range brain cell connections, is one of the theories for the cause of autism. Furthermore, people who have a stroke on the right side of their brain tend to loose more social skills then those who have a stroke, that only effects the left side of the brain:
"A striking finding from some people who suffer right-brain strokes is that they can understand the literal meaning of sentences--their left brain can still decode the words--but they can no longer get jokes or allusions. Asked to explain even a common proverb, such as "a stitch in time saves nine", they can only say it must have something to do with sewing. An intact right brain is needed to make the more playful connections."
So autism/Aspergers, it seems, could be caused by being excessively left brained (right handed).
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Mike Gee......maybe you have NLD rather than Asperger.
Have you considered that possibility?
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There's a speculation of studies that left-handedness is more prevalent in people with neurological disorders, including autism, epilepsy, Down's, even schizophrenia as opposed to left-handedness in the NT population.
I'm left-handed, formerly trained right-handed, as my whole family is right-handed.
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Have you considered that possibility?
it's NLVD and not AS that's supposed to be very rare in Left-handers.
i'm a lefty
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Handedness does not always denote which side of the brain is dominant. Left handed tennis players are faster because their left brain controls their left hand, the distance for the signals from left brain to left hand is shorter i.e faster.
Additionally, NVLD is often accompanied by a mild weakness on the left side of the body. And People who acquire damage to the right side of the brain, at an early age, often have the same cluster of problems as those born with NVLD. There is developmental and acquired NVLD. Again confirming the hypothesis that the left brain is more similar to the Autistic/NVLD model then the right (NT?) brain is.
http://cie.asu.edu/volume1/number7/
"NVLD individuals often demonstrate more difficulty with sensory and fine motor skills on the left side of the body than the right." - they are right handed.
I agree that there may be more lefties amongst autistics, dyslexics, ADD etc, however left handedness said to be due to a failure of correct lateralisation - not a reversal. The modules get mixed up, some are swapped, others remain the same. Also, left handed cases maybe a subcategory of autism/aspergers. Whereas, the majority of cases maybe caused by the over dominance of the left brain hemisphere - as in the case of NVLD. Also...
NVLD appears to be a form (or subset) of Aspergers syndrome, but described by educational psychologists rather then by Hans Asperger/Uta Frith. Thus NVLD's emphasis on education and learning, rather then social disability etc. It seems to me that Has Asperger's/Uta Frith visited the playground, home, classroom, workplace etc. but those who devloped the nosological concept of NVLD worked only in the classroom.
I also read a claim that those with Asperger's who have a Verbal IQ >15 points greater then their Performance IQ, have NVLD by definition.
Also, I read that ~60% of Aspies have a VIQ >15 points greater then their PIQ, thus ~60% of Aspies by definition have NVLD (if you accept that NVLD exists). If you learnt to speak, read and write very young i.e. hyperlexia, then you may have AS(+NVLD). Those diagnosed with NVLD have a VIQ>PIQ difference of 21 points.
My verbal IQ is 78
Performance IQ is "high"
That IQ profile is more like High Functioning Autism then Asperger's. Did you have a speech delay as a child? Oh sorry, in my haste I didn't read the last part of your message ("autistic disorder").
Some of this might prove to be interesting:
Verbal - Performance IQ Discrepancies in Children attending a Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Clinic
PIQ > VIQ my psychologist ignored that so I have no idea what reasons there are for a higher PIQ and lower VIQ when it's not an implication of speech issues/delay. Alas, even with the detailed scores, I seem to be one of the few percent with ASD who don't classify for NVLD, but I did too read that the majority of those with any ASD classify for NVLD indeed.
....am very left handed....(ok..sorta ambidextious..will lose track of which hand I am using for things)...but use my left hand for almost everything but guitar playing ...but can switch off on some stuff, like batting bowling, eating, hand-sewing etc...
Anywhoo...yeah...I am chronicly artistic...and have enough drawing/writing notebooks to way overflow one of those jumbo plastic storage tubs......and I completely completely suck at math...i loved finding the term dyscalculea...woohoo...am pretty sure I have it.
AND..I have a bunch of Aspie symptoms....like difficulty bonding with other people(social anxiety)...I walk on my toes...I am emotionally like a 32 year old teenager...I avoid eye contact...I stim, I have bad motor skills, I don't drive a car (the world is better off)...(i know that is not ness. an AS symptom)...ummm...I have obsessions...I can be very repetative....blah blah blah....
Instead of becoming obsessed with gathering information and such, I get involved with very obsessive art projects...like my sock creatures that I have been doing for the last 7 years...before that, i spent a few years obsessively organizing elaborate theme concerts...before that I was heavily caught up in the routine of being in a working band for 10 years...
I have wondered the same things about right-brained Aspies..
hi! thanks so much for your input; very interesting... i definitely think there is something to this theory of mine.
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No, this is not true. Although this is often considered a clinically significant discrepancy, there are perfectly normal kids who still demonstrate a large VIQ/PIQ gap (I forget the exact percentages). However, when such a large discrepancy exists, it may be wise to examine the kid's individual strengths and weaknesses to look for a pattern- and determine whether there is truly any area of deficient functioning.
I have NLD actually, and my verbal IQ is 39 points higher than my performance IQ.