Bullying is not just a recent phenomenon

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02 Nov 2010, 2:31 pm

I'm finding all the rage in the media today about bullying, the purple flag for anti gay bullying etc. to be hypocritical and insincere, ahhem. Bullying is a part of social interaction, plain and simple. It occurs at every level of our society, from your first relationships with your infant siblings right up to the international interaction of global superpowers. I would even argue that is serves a great and nobel purpose in some scenarios. My personal hero JFK, in my mind learnt to master nuclear arsenal bullying which served this planet pretty well considering that we are all still here.

Bullying gets things done, it may not be fair or even fathomable but this is how peoples minds work and its what people go back to time and time again to solve issues where they are not creative enough to seek a more reasonable means to a get people to agree with them.

For such a prolific practice to be ensorsed as such their must be some, or great success associated with the behavior! It is a age old tradition that many never even grow out of and continue to utilize their entire lives. So yeah, just wearing a purple flag is not going to magicaly re-write peoples psychology

In my experience, there is nobody who can successfully stand up for you. It's entirely up to you how you deal with it. There is no wonder solution, even those who are socially successfull will be bullied at some level. Stand your ground, don't give up and try to beat them at their game. Their achilles is their lack of creativity so try and keep your eye on the big picture.



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02 Nov 2010, 2:39 pm

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I'm finding all the rage in the media today about bullying, the purple flag for anti gay bullying etc. to be hypocritical and insincere, ahhem. Bullying is a part of social interaction, plain and simple. It occurs at every level of our society, from your first relationships with your infant siblings right up to the international interaction of global superpowers. I would even argue that is serves a great and nobel purpose in some scenarios. My personal hero JFK, in my mind learnt to master nuclear arsenal bullying which served this planet pretty well considering that we are all still here.

Bullying gets things done, it may not be fair or even fathomable but this is how peoples minds work and its what people go back to time and time again to solve issues where they are not creative enough to seek a more reasonable means to a get people to agree with them.

For such a prolific practice to be ensorsed as such their must be some, or great success associated with the behavior! It is a age old tradition that many never even grow out of and continue to utilize their entire lives. So yeah, just wearing a purple flag is not going to magicaly re-write peoples psychology

In my experience, there is nobody who can successfully stand up for you. It's entirely up to you how you deal with it. There is no wonder solution, even those who are socially successfull will be bullied at some level. Stand your ground, don't give up and try to beat them at their game. Their achilles is their lack of creativity so try and keep your eye on the big picture.


What matters is the intent. In politics its usually for a good cause (bullying to try and prevent terrorism and things of that nature)

But what is important to be aware of is the people bullying out of cruel intent and pleasure out of harming someone emotionally and/or physically. These are the dark entities that you have to steer clear from. What they hate the most is being exposed of their true colors and what they really are, so AWARENESS is very important and getting these jerks exposed. People who have been bullied and treated like dirt (like I have) also won't feel so alone.

And maybe it will prevent another tragic suicide.



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02 Nov 2010, 2:47 pm

I'm afraid your logic is flawed insofar as the acts of so-called 'bullying' that the current media focus is based on, were acts that would - if perpetrated in adult society - be against either the regulations of the university or the employer (the logical analogy for this behaviour would graduate to after high school) or even by the law and punishable under a criminal code.

Politicians go into that environment as adults who can choose to stay or leave. Kids in school, do not.


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02 Nov 2010, 4:41 pm

insincere wrote:
I'm finding all the rage in the media today about bullying, the purple flag for anti gay bullying etc. to be hypocritical and insincere, ahhem. Bullying is a part of social interaction, plain and simple. It occurs at every level of our society, from your first relationships with your infant siblings right up to the international interaction of global superpowers. I would even argue that is serves a great and nobel purpose in some scenarios. My personal hero JFK, in my mind learnt to master nuclear arsenal bullying which served this planet pretty well considering that we are all still here.
Okay then, how about this: Getting into arguments with parents is a part of social interaction, plain and simple. BUT: When taken too far, when the child is told he is useless or the child is beaten, we call this abuse and the child is at risk for larger mental illness, and suicide's pretty common. Bullying is exactly comparable: Everyone may get bullied, but it's taken too far when the child finds no interest in leaving he house because all he ever encounters are bullies, and has no other friends.

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Bullying gets things done, it may not be fair or even fathomable but this is how peoples minds work and its what people go back to time and time again to solve issues where they are not creative enough to seek a more reasonable means to a get people to agree with them.
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For such a prolific practice to be ensorsed as such their must be some, or great success associated with the behavior! It is a age old tradition that many never even grow out of and continue to utilize their entire lives. So yeah, just wearing a purple flag is not going to magicaly re-write peoples psychology
Great success? Again, so many famous people have emotional traumas from various forms of parent abuse or separation, have been raped or almost killed, have had severe mental illness, I could go on. Bullying is in the same overall category as you know. So yes, let's pick one of the personal hells to keep, and get rid of the others.

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In my experience, there is nobody who can successfully stand up for you. It's entirely up to you how you deal with it. There is no wonder solution, even those who are socially successfull will be bullied at some level. Stand your ground, don't give up and try to beat them at their game. Their achilles is their lack of creativity so try and keep your eye on the big picture.
This is fallacy; this assumes that all people have an equal ability to handle situations, which is not true. I'm all for standing up for yourself and everything, but everyone has a different level of courage - you may be better at that than someone else, for example.

I mean... it's actually kind of comparable to other abusive situations if it gets to a certain point. Like many things, however, people don't understand things they have not gone through. You may have had bullying, perhaps more or less than me, and perhaps you handle it better or worse. I, however, was bullied for the majority of my education, experienced chronic severe depression and wanted to end my life. (and don't tell me i didn't try)

Of course it's not a recent phenomenon. It's only been brought up more and more recently, because of more awareness, thankfully. I theorize that the reason it's taken so long to have this show up in the limelight is that most of the victims killed themselves (or were killed) so the problem was silenced. And of course, people blamed video games and crap when there was really something else going on, that the children were too ashamed to tell others about and especially if mental illness results, they may begin to think they deserve it. And so the cycle continued, until now.

I apologize if I came across too harshly; this is an important thing to me.



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02 Nov 2010, 4:44 pm

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Bullying gets things done


Yes, it demolishes self-esteem, warps personalities, inflicts lifelong depression and often leads to suicide.

When you have a neurological processing disorder than makes it impossible for you to respond when someone begins to verbally abuse you, causing you to shut down and make for an even easier target when the bully becomes frustrated by your lack of response and if you aren't then overwhelmed by gut-wrenching, sickening anxiety and inexpressible emotion leading to nervous disorders and unhappiness of such depth that you consider that not living would be preferable to enduring that abuse - whoopee for you! You may very well be the only autistic person in the world for whom being pushed around and yelled at is not a problem.

Not everyone is so lucky. For some people, being bullied is the same thing as being physically beaten up. I have not run into a single situation in life in which being treated like a steaming pile of dog dirt did anything to make me a better person.


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02 Nov 2010, 11:07 pm

Because it's common, it's therefore right? What kind of logic is that?


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02 Nov 2010, 11:48 pm

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Yes, it demolishes self-esteem, warps personalities, inflicts lifelong depression and often leads to suicide.

When you have a neurological processing disorder than makes it impossible for you to respond when someone begins to verbally abuse you, causing you to shut down and make for an even easier target when the bully becomes frustrated by your lack of response and if you aren't then overwhelmed by gut-wrenching, sickening anxiety and inexpressible emotion leading to nervous disorders and unhappiness of such depth that you consider that not living would be preferable to enduring that abuse - whoopee for you! You may very well be the only autistic person in the world for whom being pushed around and yelled at is not a problem.

Not everyone is so lucky. For some people, being bullied is the same thing as being physically beaten up. I have not run into a single situation in life in which being treated like a steaming pile of dog dirt did anything to make me a better person.


Oh yes it does, it really does! I have battled food addiction for life because of it too, and have struggled to find my worth... and yes depression is the least of it for me anyway, its the anxiety and heightened fear.But the fact of the matter is, I am doing my best to bounce back. I am an author, not a successful one yet... and yet I have to say, but regardless, I am doing my best because I have let them win for too long and they don`t deserve to win. Its a long process but... I dont want my life miserable because of what they did!! Why give them that satisfaction???? And hey... they will get their karma for it.


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03 Nov 2010, 6:03 am

I bet primordial ooze bullied other primordial ooze.


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03 Nov 2010, 6:32 am

I think its important to seperate what may be an isolated act of bullying and a relentless series of acts of bullying. A single act can be overlooked or acted on. A series of acts cannot be overlooked and something should be done. I agree that bullying is a human trait. But it becomes perverted and dangerous when some humans extend it into a series of acts of bullying. Then it needs to be stopped. Humanity would be better off if all bullying was just single isolated incidents that can be forgotten about.