Doctors and dentists are crooks!

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Almost every time I've been to a dentist or doctor, I have given me the wrong diagnosis or they have overdrilled and broken my teeth. I've been to two different dentists four times (in the USA) and both of them overdrilled three teeth and as a result, I had to get crowns on them at the age of 19!
Same thing with doctors. When I was twelve, I was suffering from a recurring cough and went to a lung specialist who put me on an asma pump plus inhaler. I went to another doctor who perscribed pills and told me that the cough was due to the onset of menarche (she was right; the cough went away after I took the pills!)

My parents have the same type of experience with doctors and dentists. Mom went to get a cist on her neck removed and the doctor told her it was cancer! Luckily she has had many of these things before and told him not to worry, it is only a cist.

Do you guys have similar experiences or is it that doctors in the US are crooks? All they care about is money and the first thing they will tell a patient is "you need to have surgery", even if it is a minute thing. I hesitate to think whether this is because they are crooks/money hungry or perhaps they are simply not properly trained. What do you think?

Yes i'd go so badly into dette that now being
alife for 42 years, I am finally repairing
my credit history.

If something else goes wrong, there goes
my credit history again, nothing new
to me.

One doctor bill will send me spirallying
into dette, and if they don't take my
little pennies tinkling in to them, then
I cannot pay at all, then I have to
engage the PBX system, deflecing
the collector's calls, andlocking
downt he phone system, the mail,
and reducing my communications
to encrypted fm radio channels
open only during certain times
in the night.

Dang doctors will be my undoing I
would rather just die in my own hom
e than screw with hospitals.

My mother took my sister and I to a denti-cal dentist once and he said we had a ton of cavities and drilled all of my molars.

My sister refused to go back because she didn't like the part of town it was in so my mother took her to our family dentist (my sister didn't qualify for denti-cal anyway), who examined her and said he didn't know what the other dentist was talking about, she only had one cavity.

We should have reported the denti-cal guy to the state but because he didn't take x-rays we couldn't prove I didn't have all the cavities he said I did.

I recently had to have all of those fillings replaced because the margins had leaked and decay had started underneath them. Two of those teeth had to be crowned. The total cost was something like $X,000 but I now have nice healthy teeth.

hard to say who the bigger crooks are - from what I hear, if you can pay, american doc's will drum up all kinds of reasons to keep seeing you and billing you. In Canada they get payed by the government weather they do anything or not - and have no obligation to see you if they don't feel like it.

My experience with doctors has been somewhat like dating players - so long as you are doing exactly what they want they are interested, untill they get anoyed with you or see something more interesting in which case they can dump you for any reason they feel like.

Sensory issues? (That sounds like a difficult and anoying patient) go find a new doctor - Communication problems? no reason to take you at emergency
Don't agree with a treatment plan? medication side effects too much? Non Compliant!

or how about I'm not experienced with autism you'll have to find someone else who can better serve you . . .

Can't afford the prescription - don't even bother going to the hospital, they'll tell you to go fill the prescription


and yet they all get paid weather they help you or not . . .

If Cananda had a soviet style revolution where they shot all the doctors unless they accepted to be paid the same as everyone else - we could provide 12-16 jobs for every doctor they shot.

further - the maternal death rate has continued to rise in north america since 1982
yes more mothers are dying during child birth . . .

the world health organization states that c-section rates should not excede 10%

yet in many Canadain and American hospitals they are as high as 40%

Canadian hospitals expect a woman to give birth within 2 hrs of ariving at hospital after which they will consider labour "delayed" and begin induction and other medical procedures to speed things up.

they are able to bill $6 000 for a natural birth which may take up to 20 hrs
they bill $15 000 for c-sections and can complete 10 in the same amount of time.

I was told I would probably not be ALLOWED to birth naturally because they would want the room!

elective/non emergency C-section increases the risk of the mother dying as a result by 3-5 times and she is required to undergo C-section for subsequent pregnancies - limiting the number of children she can carry and risking uterin rupture and possible death!

scam or population controle I'm not sure.

I wouldn't generalise and say they're all crooks, but I know what the OP is talking about. I have a chronic condition because I was misdiagnosed and prescribed the wrong medication in my early '20. As my situation got worse, I went to a different doctor, than another. The 4th made the right diagnosis and explained to me the damage done by the others and what the long-term consequences will be. Nobody was held accountable for it.

So I've learned to take very good care of myself and avoid consulting a doctor if I can. If I can't, I do my research and get extensive information about them before going.

Unfortunately, doctors and dentists are no different than anyone else. They've suffered hard work, privation and humiliation to get where they are and they expect compensation. Since they don't even get to call the shots anymore, but are bossed around by government and the insurance companies, you can bet their compensation will be in the form of money. Admiration and adulation used to work, but in our faceless economy even pillars of the community are expected to pay their bills on time.

Patients need to treat doctors and dentists as representatives of a for-profit medical industry that may not have their best interests at heart. They need to ask tough questions about procedures and their costs and do research on their conditions. If things just don't seem right, they need to say, "No." Some medical professionals will allow, even encourage, patients to act in rational self interest. Some won't, but patients should avoid those anyway.

That said, the best thing is not to need doctors and dentists in the first place, and do what you can to protect and preserve your own health,

I don't remember that anything like that happened to me... and the misdiagnoses and mistreatments I heard of date years and years back (although there sure are some, but appearently less often than in some other countries).

But then again the German health care system is pretty good in international comparison, even though there is lots if criticism in Germany.

While I'd say that the basic system in Germany is already good and simply needs improvement, I think that the problems of the American health care system lie in the structure.

From what I heard doctors in the USA are under extreme pressure not to make any mistakes because they might be charged for it - although mistakes are only human, and doctors don't cease to be human if they passed the exams - and so they are extremely careful and offer treatments that wouldn't be necessary but bear less risky. For example a C-section is less risky than a natural birth, so, if the birth appears to have only the slightest risk, they will choose to perferm the C-section.
And, if doctors earn money only with the treatments they give, they of course will be eager to give you any tratment available - provided you have the money.

as far as crookedness goes, doctors and dentists are pikers compared with the insurance companies and health care corporations.

I don't know that they're crooks. I don't think that's the right word. I've had lost of bad experiences with doctors and even dentists, but they seemed more due to arrogance and disregard than greed.

i had one very bad experiance with a psychiatrist, but most other professionals have been nice
i attribute his attitude twords seeing mentally ill people day in/out so he was rather lousy at his job

There are exceptions, but most American doctors are total crooks. And the healthcare system here is one of the biggest jokes on the f*****g planet. I can't wait to move to Holland.

I don't know about regualr internists and dentists, but phycatrists certanaly are crooks.

Not really crooks at least the ones I've known, but they aren't as knowledgeable as they attempt to portray themselves, which can be misleading and potentially life threatening. Many seem to be great at rote memorization but have little depth to their knowledge. You almost always want at least a second opinion on anything medically related. I think it is like 200,000 people die annually from medical errors. I do think physicians rely far too much on pharm companies to educate them once they get their own practice.