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01 Dec 2010, 3:49 pm

Does "secondary dyspraxia" have some established meaning? It was used in relation to motor coordination and planning of complex movement sequences, overlapping with executive function.

I can't find anything on the web or in journals with that term, and I wonder if there is a more common term?



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01 Dec 2010, 3:51 pm

I've heard of dyspraxia, but never secondary dyspraxia.



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01 Dec 2010, 3:53 pm

Maybe they mean "dyspraxia, secondary to autism." Although that would mean that the dyspraxia is *caused* by the autism, rather than just being a common comorbid. Maybe it just means that the primary diagnosis is autism, but there is also a secondary diagnosis of dyspraxia.


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01 Dec 2010, 4:01 pm

Can dyspraxia be intermittent? When I focus on something like surfing or skate boarding I do quite well. But when I am focused on other things, I am clumsy, and bump into walls.


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01 Dec 2010, 4:04 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
Can dyspraxia be intermittent? When I focus on something like surfing or skate boarding I do quite well. But when I am focused on other things, I am clumsy, and bump into walls.


Yep, that's quite common.



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01 Dec 2010, 4:08 pm

I don't know that "focus" is supposed to improve dyspraxia though. Actually, automatic tasks (tasks you are not paying attention to) are supposed to be easier for dyspraxics/apraxics. The more someone with dyspraxia/apraxia has to focus on/think about the task, the more difficulty they will have. What is more likely is that you have "over-learned" the movements in skateboarding and surfing, so that your body is making automatic adjustments without you thinking about it.


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01 Dec 2010, 4:54 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
Can dyspraxia be intermittent? When I focus on something like surfing or skate boarding I do quite well. But when I am focused on other things, I am clumsy, and bump into walls.


I have fallen up my stairs three times in the past two months because I can't get my footing correct. I sure hope this is normal :)



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01 Dec 2010, 4:56 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
Can dyspraxia be intermittent? When I focus on something like surfing or skate boarding I do quite well. But when I am focused on other things, I am clumsy, and bump into walls.


I have fallen up my stairs three times in the past two months because I can't get my footing correct. I sure hope this is normal :)


I do that sometimes. I'm convinced that a troll is hiding under the stairs and grabs my toe when I walk by ...


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01 Dec 2010, 4:57 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
MidlifeAspie wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
Can dyspraxia be intermittent? When I focus on something like surfing or skate boarding I do quite well. But when I am focused on other things, I am clumsy, and bump into walls.


I have fallen up my stairs three times in the past two months because I can't get my footing correct. I sure hope this is normal :)


I do that sometimes. I'm convinced that a troll is hiding under the stairs and grabs my toe when I walk by ...


Does he also write "FIRST" on your stairs? :lol:



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01 Dec 2010, 5:06 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
I don't know that "focus" is supposed to improve dyspraxia though. Actually, automatic tasks (tasks you are not paying attention to) are supposed to be easier for dyspraxics/apraxics. The more someone with dyspraxia/apraxia has to focus on/think about the task, the more difficulty they will have. What is more likely is that you have "over-learned" the movements in skateboarding and surfing, so that your body is making automatic adjustments without you thinking about it.


I agree but it's important to note that many dyspraxic are able to learn things which requires normal motor skills while they can't do others. For example : I still have troubles with shoelaces and gymnastic but I can make scoobidoos very well and even have this 'hyperfocus" thing. So I guess that some skills dyspraxics may have aquired are easier to use when focusing on them, just like anyone.



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01 Dec 2010, 6:06 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
Maybe they mean "dyspraxia, secondary to autism."


Thank you - that makes perfect sense. It is funny how words can mean less and less as I stare at them, then you point out the obvious.

So is there an overlap between dyspraxia and executive function, particularly with the sequencing of movements and tasks? My gross and fine motor skills are good, but I do clumsy things.



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02 Dec 2010, 10:26 am

My problem tends to be with ideomotor dyspraxia, which could be called "secondary" by a person with insufficient understanding of it.

Dyspraxia has two steps. 1) Can you determine what you want to do? Can you visualize it, tell somebody about it, plan the movement, etc... Full blow autism usually fails at this point, called. Senior moment here. Relational Dyspraxia maybe?

The second step is the ideomotor point. Once you know how to move to accomplish a goal, can you do it? Aspies tend to have problems here. We know how to pick up a glass, but when we move we, get distracted seems to be what happens to me. So I bump into things a lot, knock things over, trip over my own feet, etc...

What's interesting is that my dyspraxia goes away completely when I can not visually see the body part I'm moving. I use to do this as a type of parlour trick. If I put a dog-cone around my neck so I can't see my hands, I can toss a ball (or anything) into the air and I'll catch it 97 in 100 tries without seeing my hand. If I can see my hand, I catch less than half the time. Same with balance. If I can see my feet, I'll fall off a 4" wide piece of lumber while walking along it. If I can't see my feet, just a line where the lumber goes too, I can walk it flawlessly.

The input from my eyes of what I'm doing confuses my mind and prevents me from doing it correctly. Without my eyes, my spatial thinking controls my motor movement instead and viola - no problems.



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02 Dec 2010, 11:24 am

Zedition wrote:

The input from my eyes of what I'm doing confuses my mind and prevents me from doing it correctly. Without my eyes, my spatial thinking controls my motor movement instead and viola - no problems.


This is interesting. I've found that the more aware I am of my body in particular, the worse I am at things that require balance or form, but when I find a mental zone that makes my body a single unit integrated with the activity, it flows and performance is far better. That 'zone' has the feeling of almost 'un-focus'.


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03 Dec 2010, 8:27 am

LostInSpace wrote:
Actually, automatic tasks (tasks you are not paying attention to) are supposed to be easier for dyspraxics/apraxics. The more someone with dyspraxia/apraxia has to focus on/think about the task, the more difficulty they will have.


That would explain a LOT. I have this happen all the time, and it gets even worse when people are watching. Like, say if I can do something perfect every time I try when nobody's around, then someone looks and all of a sudden I can't do it at all.

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What's interesting is that my dyspraxia goes away completely when I can not visually see the body part I'm moving.


That sounds interesting, but I doubt it would work at all for me...


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