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Whitaker
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10 Dec 2010, 8:48 pm

Lots of things to discuss.

I'm a graduate student in philosophy. I have to write very analytic papers that are very focused. I've always had trouble with this because I see way too many connections at once.

No matter what aspect of my life it is, I always see the whole picture and not the tiny details and so I end up actually missing a lot,.

I will try to edit my papers to grammar and spelling, and even try to make sure I'm keeping to my thesis, but I always meander. I see a new connection I think will work and it doesn't.

It's affecting my grades, I've dealt with it since college.

With my work, I sell shoes. Or I would be selling shoes if I got the stock room right. We have a meticulous way of sorting boxes - left to right bottom to top. I get this. But when something is way to high or I can't immediately find something I kind of give up.

I tried sorting those things you slip into your shoes to relieve pressure. There were over 50 tho sort, there are sizes and than styles to consider. It took me way too long to do and I made mistakes. I didn't pay atent to the fact some were 20 series and other 00 series ... or I tried to but obviously not enough because some go put in the wrong place.

I get paid minimum wage. I'm not particularly thrilled about the job but it's a job. I'm been in jobs that are monotonous and I lose the will to care.

I'm behind on rent, landlords are pissed. Trying to survive in a big city and go to school to make something of myself. My attention problem is obviously not due entirely to not caring - I care about school deeply so there is more to it. I know aspies say (or many) that they can only focus on one thing. Well I have a hard time with it.

Also - people who say aspies cannot have emotion - BS.

My well being has suffered for ages because of my shame of not being able to get things right.

On another topics, before I ended college I cut ties with family. I realized that I cannot talk for the sake of talking. Or I can but it takes out too much emotionally. I don't' find my family interesting and they don't help me in any way.

But I feel as if I'm selling my soul any time a co-worker or classmate asks "How are you?" or "What do you do outside of work? What do you study?"

I feel no emotional attachment at all to these people, and they THINK I give a s**t about them. Or if I just say, "good" and immediately walk the other way and focus on what I really care about, they think I'm a b***h.

I hate making people think I feel something about them I don't. Especially men because I don't want a guy thinking I'm romantically interested in him when I'm not. But even being a nice person gives off the wrong vibes.

I have no friends I hang out with.. I'm a wreck. I've been to countless therapy sessions this semester and it has helped so much but, as always, there is so far for me to go still.

:(



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10 Dec 2010, 9:48 pm

i think I see a couple things, first you are like me and tend to lose focus because deep down your a perfectionist and perfection is impossible I have a mantra that helps
"the road to failure is perfection, the road to success is good enough" you do have to be honest enough to understand good enough without using it as a cop-out for laziness. Prioritize if you don't have enough time to get everything done, do the most important, I use the timer on my phone to keep me from zoning-out on one task for to long when there are others in the rotation to do, each get it's own time-slice. Another thing is you sound a bit depressed, which also makes it more difficult to stay focused, and this time of the year with the short days and dreery weather it's hard not to be.


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10 Dec 2010, 10:11 pm

budgenator wrote:
i think I see a couple things, first you are like me and tend to lose focus because deep down your a perfectionist and perfection is impossible I have a mantra that helps
"the road to failure is perfection, the road to success is good enough" you do have to be honest enough to understand good enough without using it as a cop-out for laziness. Prioritize if you don't have enough time to get everything done, do the most important, I use the timer on my phone to keep me from zoning-out on one task for to long when there are others in the rotation to do, each get it's own time-slice. Another thing is you sound a bit depressed, which also makes it more difficult to stay focused, and this time of the year with the short days and dreery weather it's hard not to be.


Honestly none of this is about depression. If I sound depressed I guess I have been depressed for ages.

I am obviously trying to figure out many things, always have.

I posted this forum because I've been doring same things without getting different results. This isn't depression this is saying, "Hey! I want to do well and be happy." This is not about being a perfectionist this is about being successful in my endeavors.

I don't have to do things perfectly, I just need to be able to write a decent academic paper and do well enough at work to keep my job. I need attention to detail to accomplish both of these. I need to be able to live without people criticizing me for making a hard choice to cut out people in my life. That is what this is about.



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10 Dec 2010, 10:22 pm

Whitaker wrote:
Lots of things to discuss.

I'm a graduate student in philosophy. I have to write very analytic papers that are very focused. I've always had trouble with this because I see way too many connections at once.

No matter what aspect of my life it is, I always see the whole picture and not the tiny details and so I end up actually missing a lot,.

I will try to edit my papers to grammar and spelling, and even try to make sure I'm keeping to my thesis, but I always meander. I see a new connection I think will work and it doesn't.

It's affecting my grades, I've dealt with it since college.


These problems happen in ALL fields in graduate school. My advisor was constantly telling me to "tighten it up" and I had a very difficult time. This was in Applied Criminology, a field that you'd think would be fairly straightforward, but I kept wanting to go off on different tangents. Eventually, I got it, but it took a lot of effort.

I hope you feel better about things, soon. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk.

Take care.


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10 Dec 2010, 10:33 pm

Whitaker wrote:
Lots of things to discuss.

I'm a graduate student in philosophy. I have to write very analytic papers that are very focused. I've always had trouble with this because I see way too many connections at once.

No matter what aspect of my life it is, I always see the whole picture and not the tiny details and so I end up actually missing a lot,.

I will try to edit my papers to grammar and spelling, and even try to make sure I'm keeping to my thesis, but I always meander. I see a new connection I think will work and it doesn't.

It's affecting my grades, I've dealt with it since college.

With my work, I sell shoes. Or I would be selling shoes if I got the stock room right. We have a meticulous way of sorting boxes - left to right bottom to top. I get this. But when something is way to high or I can't immediately find something I kind of give up.

I tried sorting those things you slip into your shoes to relieve pressure. There were over 50 tho sort, there are sizes and than styles to consider. It took me way too long to do and I made mistakes. I didn't pay atent to the fact some were 20 series and other 00 series ... or I tried to but obviously not enough because some go put in the wrong place.

I get paid minimum wage. I'm not particularly thrilled about the job but it's a job. I'm been in jobs that are monotonous and I lose the will to care.

I'm behind on rent, landlords are pissed. Trying to survive in a big city and go to school to make something of myself. My attention problem is obviously not due entirely to not caring - I care about school deeply so there is more to it. I know aspies say (or many) that they can only focus on one thing. Well I have a hard time with it.

Also - people who say aspies cannot have emotion - BS.

My well being has suffered for ages because of my shame of not being able to get things right.

On another topics, before I ended college I cut ties with family. I realized that I cannot talk for the sake of talking. Or I can but it takes out too much emotionally. I don't' find my family interesting and they don't help me in any way.

But I feel as if I'm selling my soul any time a co-worker or classmate asks "How are you?" or "What do you do outside of work? What do you study?"

I feel no emotional attachment at all to these people, and they THINK I give a sh** about them. Or if I just say, "good" and immediately walk the other way and focus on what I really care about, they think I'm a b***h.

I hate making people think I feel something about them I don't. Especially men because I don't want a guy thinking I'm romantically interested in him when I'm not. But even being a nice person gives off the wrong vibes.

I have no friends I hang out with.. I'm a wreck. I've been to countless therapy sessions this semester and it has helped so much but, as always, there is so far for me to go still.

:(


Ah organizing...one would think my house would be so, but it's not.

On the subject of organizing academic papers and the likes, if I can go in chronological order I do. However, recently, I ran into a situation where I had to give a presentation, and there were so many things going on at once, it was difficult to present things purely chronologically. We had to continue down one path and then back track.

If the subject matter isn't of a chronological nature, for example, if I'm describing how something works, then I organize it by first introducing the concept I will be talking about and give a brief summary of it. Then I give background on the subject, and present any knowledge that might be needed to understand what I will be talking about. Then I talk about the specifics of the subject. In other words, I organize it in the way I would need it presented to me if I initially knew nothing about it.

When I had to do reports on material I had read, for example, a summary and analysis of a book or article, I would first introduce the book. In most instances, I would just summarize while offering my own opinion from time to time. However if I were required to argue for or against something, I would state a clear thesis and build my argument from there. The more limited in space I was, the closer I would stick to the key points that supported my thesis.

When I worked at a stock job, for the most part, everything had a place. In instances where I had free reign of how to organize things. Generally, I would group like with like. All the chocolate items went together. All the gummy things went together. All the hard candies went together. Mugs went near coffee and hot chocolate. Dip went near chips.

The only thing I really get hung up on is organizing bills, receipts and such. I can never really decide which grouping scheme is the most efficient. For example, right now, I have all my medical things in one file. However, should medical receipts go into the medical file, or should it go into a file for receipts?

I also had the same issue when arranging my school notes. I arranged them by class, but occasionally it seemed as if they should have been arranged by subject, regardless of the class it was taught in.

Tantalizing.