Is this an accurate article on Women and Aspergers?

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25 Jan 2019, 5:36 am

I relate to this part:

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The only girl to…” is a common refrain. Or taking classes with all boys. Being an outlier for gender is a risk factor for Aspergers. Do not judge a girl by how similar she is to boys with Aspergers. Look at how similar she is to other girls


That was me. The only girl I technical drawing class, the only girl in woodwork, the only woman in my year 3 college course in web development.

I was the only girl playing soccer with the boys at lunchtime. The only one who didn't understand the offside rule because I was a girl and the school taught me netball instead.

Yes, I was not like other girls and I'm still not.

I feel more "normal" now because I've met other women like me and we enjoy similar activities. I work with female scientists now, so I don't feel weird at work either.

Took me a long time to feel comfortable.



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25 Jan 2019, 6:08 am

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Standing out from the other girls. “The only girl to…” is a common refrain. Or taking classes with all boys. Being an outlier for gender is a risk factor for Aspergers. Do not judge a girl by how similar she is to boys with Aspergers. Look at how similar she is to other girls. The conflict between autism spectrum conditions and traditional feminine identity is the biggest clue we have when it comes to diagnosis. For example, I have vivid grade-school memories of being the only girl to play kickball at recess. Every day.

I have always been a bit of a tomboy. I prefer my job working with buses and getting dirty and oily, than if I worked in a beauty salon where you have to be neat and 'beautiful'. But I do like being emotionally involved in other people, like gossiping, which is more female-like behaviour. At school I preferred art because I had a creative mind, and I was good at english. But I did choose wood technology too (or wood shop, as Americans call it,) but I do wish I had taken up needlework or geography like the other girls. But I did take up art and music, which was also what a lot of other girls did. I never played ball games in the playground, I stuck with the other girls because I was shy around boys.

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Good at math.

No way am I good at maths, ever. Maths was my biggest challenge all through school and still is now. But a lot of the girls at school seemed to be in higher classes for maths, while I was in the very lowest class.
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Anxiety disorder... and this is true of most women with Aspergers.

I do have an anxiety/panic disorder, but I was basically born with it. I'm on meds to control moods and self-esteem issues moreso than anxiety. But I deal with anxiety by verbally expressing how I feel to other people, which helps.

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Eating disorder. Most eating disorders emerge as an extension of a sensory processing disorder and/or OCD. Both these disorders are common for people on the autistic spectrum. But eating disorders are especially prevalent in girls with Aspergers. Even as we are under diagnosing girls with Aspergers, we know 20% of girls with eating disorders have Aspergers
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I don't think I've ever had an eating disorder. My diet and eating habits has always been well-balanced. I do feel I eat too much sometimes, but not enough to be a disorder.
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ADD or ADHD. Girls with Aspergers don’t look like they have ADD because they look like neurotypical boys. Even the teachers miss it.

I have ADHD, but it was never recognised in childhood because I was shy at school, and teachers seemed to think ADHD meant a hyperactive boy who is class clown. But I was hyperactive at home and was 'family clown'. In school I had attention issues but it looked like I was listening, when really I was in a daydream. I was more louder and hyper if I was in a smaller group, but when I was with the whole class I was more socially anxious and reserved.

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Hyperlexia. Most girls with Aspergers love to read. Learning to read at age 2 or 3 is often a sign of hyperlexia. It’s related to Aspergers and it comes from a fascination with letters and puzzles rather than a love of stories.

I wasn't really into reading as a child. I only read because the school made the kids be interested in reading books. I was actually behind the other girls in reading, but I caught up I think.

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Dyslexia. Re-reading books, and reading series books are ways girls with Aspergers deal with dyslexia. Dyslexia, often means you can read but comprehension is low, and girls with Aspergers mask that with a high IQ at school and easy books at home. I was in honors classes but I read children’s picture books throughout high school.

I do prefer children's books, but I do have attention issues, which can make reading harder. So I tend to stick to books aimed at children aged 8-12. But again I'm not big on books. I prefer to read magazines, which is feminine because I buy magazines that are aimed at adult women.

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Sexually abused as a child or teen. Girls with Aspergers do not read danger signs as well as neurotypical girls, which makes girls with Aspergers much more likely to get into a situation that is bad for them. While the girl with Aspergers will think she’s acting within the realm of normal, a predator looking for a target will see the abnormality as an inviting sign.

I was never led astray as a teenager. But my cousin was. She wasn't on the spectrum but she had learning difficulties.

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Work in the sex industry. Understanding sexual norms is a social skill. Feeling embarrassment is also a social skill. So the sex industry doesn’t feel as emotional risky to women who have Aspergers. Also, its easier to get the unofficial list of social rules in the sex industry than it is in a typical workplace. In my first book I wrote about how I tried to be a sex worker, and now I understand that I couldn’t get someone to hire me because I never looked like I understood the rules.

WTF?

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Having a mother or paternal grandmother with these traits. Or having a mother who is white, college educated and raising children alone – that is, did not remarry after the loss of a partner. (Only 2% of white, college-educated women get divorced, but pretty much all moms except those with Aspergers find a new partner after a divorce.)

My mum has anxiety disorder but not Asperger's. But she never found a new partner after she split from my dad. Mind you, he never found another woman either. I used to wonder why all other divorced parents found themselves a new partner except mine. My dad isn't on the spectrum either, nor has any anxiety disorder. He is 100% neurotypical.

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Having a weird laugh. Women laugh more than men. And for women laughter is a way to identify themselves as good partners. It’s a social skill. Women with Aspergers have a hard time figuring out how to use a laugh; often they choose not to laugh or they laugh in a stilted or uncomfortable way.

Sometimes I want to laugh at something that's not that funny, so it is kind of a forced laugh. Sometimes my laugh comes out loudly, like a shout. It makes people shush me, even though I've heard people laugh much louder.


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25 Jan 2019, 8:37 am

In my case, in all articles and lists about female aspies I've come across so far, I barely fit almost any bill.

Got like 3.5+/- out of 10++ or so depending what kind or how many traits are claimed to be enumerated. The article's no different.

But if I were to gauge the article base on accounts of many I've encountered so far; I'd say around less than 8.5 out of 12 or so.


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25 Jan 2019, 9:40 am

All I had to read was the name Penelope Trunk. People, she is not an expert in psychology or psychiatry or even workplace dynamics. She just acts as if she is. Everything she writes is just her personal impression, and much of it is wrong.

Penelope Trunk is a sham.


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25 Jan 2019, 9:45 am

There are females who present with the "female" presentation of autism/Aspergers.

There are also females who present with the more "conventional" presentation.



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25 Jan 2019, 10:22 am

Standing out from the other girls.

I always felt more comfortable with boys than girls (my brother, his friends, my father and grandfather, one male cousin), but like others have said, I wasn't necessarily "similar" to the boys. I didn't know how to do the things they did and I didn't have the same interests. I didn't do machinery or cars like all the guys did in my family. I didn't like race tracks. I wasn't a tomboy, but I wasn't a girly girl either. I was just a person who loved to read, rather like I was just a mind and not a body or gender at all.

I found boys easier to understand. Women and girls were too complex and judgemental. They were often superficial. I didn't like the feeling that there were unwritten expectations for me from females, or that they said things they didn't mean.

Good at math.
I did do quite well at math. I excelled in most areas that didn't involve 3D or spatial thinking. Regardless I was never a "math type" and I identified more as a "book nerd" because I loved literature and languages.

Anxiety disorder.
I camouflaged when I was younger but yes. Now I have Complex PTSD (a severe stress disorder) as well as GAD and agoraphobia. These were percolating before I was traumatised.

Eating disorder.
I've gone through cycles of (undiagnosed) eating disorders in my life, especially when I was younger. Yes.

ADD or ADHD.
Not diagnosed, but I'm sure I have one of these. My attention span is terrible and my hands or feet are always moving (although it's because I stim). I failed miserably at the "switching between two things" tests in my ASD assessment because I lose attention when I switch my train of thought. The testing was part of executive function.

Hyperlexia.
Yes, diagnosed.

Dyslexia.
I don't believe I have dyslexia but I do reread books and passages many, many times to feel confident with them.

Gender dysphoria.
I don't think so. It's more like I don't have a gender. I'm just a mind and a heart.

Refusal to cross the midline.
I don't know what this means. I am clumsy though.

Sexually abused as a child or teen. Girls with Aspergers do not read danger signs as well as neurotypical girls, which makes girls with Aspergers much more likely to get into a situation that is bad for them. While the girl with Aspergers will think she’s acting within the realm of normal, a predator looking for a target will see the abnormality as an inviting sign.

100%

Work in the sex industry. Understanding sexual norms is a social skill. Feeling embarrassment is also a social skill. So the sex industry doesn’t feel as emotional risky to women who have Aspergers. Also, its easier to get the unofficial list of social rules in the sex industry than it is in a typical workplace. In my first book I wrote about how I tried to be a sex worker, and now I understand that I couldn’t get someone to hire me because I never looked like I understood the rules.

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Having a mother or paternal grandmother with these traits. Or having a mother who is white, college educated and raising children alone – that is, did not remarry after the loss of a partner. (Only 2% of white, college-educated women get divorced, but pretty much all moms except those with Aspergers find a new partner after a divorce.)

VERY, VERY INTERESTING -- looking at my paternal grandmother. My dad's side was nearly all ASD people and yes, my grandmother too.

Having a weird laugh. Women laugh more than men. And for women laughter is a way to identify themselves as good partners. It’s a social skill. Women with Aspergers have a hard time figuring out how to use a laugh; often they choose not to laugh or they laugh in a stilted or uncomfortable way.

I don't like laughing around people. Likely because of the social rules that I don't know.


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25 Jan 2019, 10:27 am

SAMANTHA

Not to derail the original article, but this is my gold standard for female ASD. I hit nearly every indicator. I've given the list to "non ASD" friends and they identify with very few.


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25 Jan 2019, 11:15 am

That way of over-categorizing in that article indicates to me a form of psychological disorder which leads to even more confused thinking. There are simply too many variables. One question I like to ask is, what is the functional value? If you can see something in there that may apply to you, and some are bound to, then how does that help you?

Actually, how does putting so much focus on the so-called NT/autistic distinction really help anyone? I have always had trouble understanding that.



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25 Jan 2019, 11:28 am

Hmm ... It's a study, I'll say that much. I mean, someone is at least trying to look into the gender disparity in autism diagnoses.

With that said, it looks reasonable valid to me, so I would have to say that more work needs to be done.



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25 Jan 2019, 11:39 am

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Actually, how does putting so much focus on the so-called NT/autistic distinction really help anyone?


It helps me to self-soothe. Instead of looking at all the awkward moments in my life and blaming myself as a loser, a misfit, an anomaly, a social reject, a failure or just plain "stupid" (e.g., the situations that I didn't understand), now I know all of those situations had a root cause. I can see them as one umbrella issue rather than 10 000 raindrops of failure. I can understand and reframe old experiences much better now that I know which skills I was using (or missing).


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25 Jan 2019, 12:02 pm

To Isabella, well said and interesting. So the root cause of your difficulties is that you were born different? The way you are processing data is not playing into that? The way I see it, the way I am processing data is definitely affected by genetics, but for me, also, even more so, it is affefcted by childhood experience, a lot of it negative. For me looking at genetics as the root cause of my experience now would be taking a lot of possibility away from myself. By the way, personally I have had a really rough time. really terrible. Now it is getting easier.



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25 Jan 2019, 12:16 pm

I was terrible at math, excellent at reading, was never sexually abused or have an eating disorder. I would never get a job in the sex industry because I thinks it's disgusting beyond belief. And I put on pants every day, TYVM!

If you've seen one female aspie, you've only seen one female aspie. The article is a piece of garbage.



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25 Jan 2019, 12:25 pm

littlebee wrote:
To Isabella, well said and interesting. So the root cause of your difficulties is that you were born different? The way you are processing data is not playing into that? The way I see it, the way I am processing data is definitely affected by genetics, but for me, also, even more so, it is affefcted by childhood experience, a lot of it negative. For me looking at genetics as the root cause of my experience now would be taking a lot of possibility away from myself. By the way, personally I have had a really rough time. really terrible. Now it is getting easier.


I was born "different", but those genetics led to or caused my different processing abilities. My different processing abilities led to distressing childhood experiences which, in turn, I couldn't process, understand, interpret or forget the way other children would -- because of my neurodifferences. My inability to process data led to an accumulation of negative experiences. It led to me not understanding myself, and feeling / being naive since I couldn't learn from mistakes.

In other words, I was born without the same set of skills as other children. I had no idea, so I went through life blaming myself. I'm not taking responsibility away from myself or my actions at all. Rather, I'm now understanding myself and my actions, whether good or bad or indifferent.


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25 Jan 2019, 12:38 pm

"Rather, I'm now understanding myself and my actions, whether good or bad or indifferent."

So you are in the water of life, and now you can swim. Swim little duck!! !



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25 Jan 2019, 12:43 pm

littlebee wrote:
"Rather, I'm now understanding myself and my actions, whether good or bad or indifferent."

So you are in the water of life, and now you can swim. Swim little duck!! !


Thanks. I can tread water now, but I'm still not swimming laps.

My diagnosis which was confirmed just last year didn't "solve" any of my issues, but it gave me a set of water-wings and kept me afloat. It was more like a swimming lesson than a swimming trophy.

Good luck to you, too!


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