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Xenzaka
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20 Dec 2010, 8:10 am

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20 Dec 2010, 9:02 am

You would provide links to back things up, but you "have no need to"...?
You had no need to post, but you did...

If you want us to take you seriously, then please back up your information otherwise it's just hearsay and not worth the time it took for you to write it.



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20 Dec 2010, 9:57 am

Xenzaka wrote:
I will not, and do not have the time to post all of my work here to "prove" this.


Do you have any idea how insulting this is?

How the hell do you expect to be taken seriously if you cannot and will not subject your "work" to analysis and refutation? Do you think you are special? Is your erudition so rare that it is absolved from challenge?


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20 Dec 2010, 2:01 pm

Human behavior is about 90% environmental and 10% genetic. So if you are saying that autism is mostly genetic, then how about you post your work here? For what it's worth, autism seems largely genetic, but to suggest that the environment doesn't contribute to the majority of the problem is just insulting to anyone who has ever studied people intensively. So how about you post here when your work is done, OK buddy?



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20 Dec 2010, 7:16 pm

A study was just completed on families living within 1000 feet of a freeway and rates of autism within them when compared to a control group. It was discovered the rates of autism were higher in the group living within 1000 feet of interstates or freeways. It is theorized that pollution from these freeways and interstate doesn't cause autism but can be a factor in the rise of autism rates.



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20 Dec 2010, 11:16 pm

Yeah, and I can "prove" refrigerators cause crime. Correlation/causation...

(Refrigerators per square mile can be directly correlated to crime rate per square mile. Of course, they can also be correlated to people per square mile...)

Autism has a heritability of something like 85-95%, last I checked; the numbers vary depending on whether you use classic autism only (the lower figures) or the entire spectrum (the higher figures). That was determined through twin/adoption/sibling studies and a lot of math.

The increase is almost certainly accounted for by increased diagnosis. Did you know that the "mental retardation" diagnosis rate has decreased at a very similar rate to the increase of autism, for example? A lot of people are getting re-diagnosed because they get better services with an autism diagnosis, even though they usually qualify for both labels.

The "stealing MR cases" phenomenon, and the Asperger's and PDD-NOS labeling of the milder cases which would otherwise have remained undiagnosed altogether, really accounts for the rise in diagnosis.


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20 Dec 2010, 11:27 pm

forgive me for being dumb on the science behind all this but isn't the 'increase' in autism down to people now having a better chance of diagnosis? I'm of the thinking that percentage of diagnosed people on the spectrum is merely the tip of the iceberg. (Sorry if this has been said before by people that actually do research)


edit: I should have read callista's post properly as i think i have duplicated things! :oops:



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22 Dec 2010, 10:05 am

Dear god, I just read all of the terrible replies. Let me "fix" it, and "show my work".

It was a simple topic, do you believe the causation of Autism is indeed genetic, or envrionmental.

Please, stop analyzing my post and finding your favorite points to criticize. This is an internet forum for discussion, I am not about to sit here for hours upon hours explaining how much or our disorders might come from Neanderthals.

However, I will re-edit the original post, if I can in hopes of further clarifying things and showing you some of the very simple links found with very simple google searches.


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forgive me for being dumb on the science behind all this but isn't the 'increase' in autism down to people now having a better chance of diagnosis? I'm of the thinking that percentage of diagnosed people on the spectrum is merely the tip of the iceberg. (Sorry if this has been said before by people that actually do research)


edit: I should have read callista's post properly as i think i have duplicated things! Embarassed


This is where I am getting at, yes.









The environment does contribute to Autism.

To say the environment is the direct causation (like toxins of some sort) of Autism...I would hold the ponies on that one.



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22 Dec 2010, 10:19 am

Xenzaka wrote:
Dear god, I just read all of the terrible replies. Let me "fix" it, and "show my work".


Your defensiveness is showing.

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It was a simple topic, do you believe the causation of Autism is indeed genetic, or envrionmental.


Yes.

It is a stupid question. Genetics inseparably interacts with the environment and in fact it is this interaction that drives the evolution of new species.

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Please, stop analyzing my post and finding your favorite points to criticize.


WTF? Do you know ANYTHING about people with Asperger's? ANALYZING is WHAT WE DO (unless we have no interest in the topic then we will ignore it)


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This is an internet forum for discussion, I am not about to sit here for hours upon hours explaining how much or our disorders might come from Neanderthals.


Again, WTF? What is a discussion if not explaining your position? You get exactly what you put into it.

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However, I will re-edit the original post, if I can in hopes of further clarifying things and showing you some of the very simple links found with very simple google searches.


Oooo. Thanks for dumbing it down for us. Autistics are autistic, not stupid.






If you are unwilling to put effort into defending your work it isn't worth our effort to listen. Do you, at the ripe old age of 19, really believe that you have a superior concept of autism? That no one here could possibly have considered your ideas before? That you actually have THE ANSWER?


LOL. You're killing me.


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22 Dec 2010, 10:20 am

how annoying i cant even provide links



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22 Dec 2010, 10:21 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Xenzaka wrote:
Dear god, I just read all of the terrible replies. Let me "fix" it, and "show my work".


Your defensiveness is showing.

It's okay, it's a natural thing

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It was a simple topic, do you believe the causation of Autism is indeed genetic, or envrionmental.


Yes.

YES WHAT

It is a stupid question. Genetics inseparably interacts with the environment and in fact it is this interaction that drives the evolution of new species.

No s**t, listen closely. THE DIRECT CAUSATION, is the DIRECT CAUSATION from "toxins" or the "environment" or could it be from different ancestry? stop trying to be a smart ass and just discuss

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Please, stop analyzing my post and finding your favorite points to criticize.


WTF? Do you know ANYTHING about people with Asperger's? ANALYZING is WHAT WE DO (unless we have no interest in the topic then we will ignore it)

yes but you're veering far from the topic and turning it more into a game :( i do not like games


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This is an internet forum for discussion, I am not about to sit here for hours upon hours explaining how much or our disorders might come from Neanderthals.


Again, WTF? What is a discussion if not explaining your position? You get exactly what you put into it.

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However, I will re-edit the original post, if I can in hopes of further clarifying things and showing you some of the very simple links found with very simple google searches.


Oooo. Thanks for dumbing it down for us. Autistics are autistic, not stupid.






If you are unwilling to put effort into defending your work it isn't worth our effort to listen. Do you, at the ripe old age of 19, really believe that you have a superior concept of autism? That no one here could possibly have considered your ideas before? That you actually have THE ANSWER?


LOL. You're killing me.



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22 Dec 2010, 10:22 am

Xenzaka wrote:
how annoying i cant even provide links


That's to prevent spam. If you really have something to offer (I haven't given up on you, but your approach isn't promising), you'll hang around.


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22 Dec 2010, 10:23 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Xenzaka wrote:
Dear god, I just read all of the terrible replies. Let me "fix" it, and "show my work".


Your defensiveness is showing.

Quote:
It was a simple topic, do you believe the causation of Autism is indeed genetic, or envrionmental.


Yes.

It is a stupid question. Genetics inseparably interacts with the environment and in fact it is this interaction that drives the evolution of new species.

Quote:
Please, stop analyzing my post and finding your favorite points to criticize.


WTF? Do you know ANYTHING about people with Asperger's? ANALYZING is WHAT WE DO (unless we have no interest in the topic then we will ignore it)


Quote:
This is an internet forum for discussion, I am not about to sit here for hours upon hours explaining how much or our disorders might come from Neanderthals.


Again, WTF? What is a discussion if not explaining your position? You get exactly what you put into it.

Quote:
However, I will re-edit the original post, if I can in hopes of further clarifying things and showing you some of the very simple links found with very simple google searches.


Oooo. Thanks for dumbing it down for us. Autistics are autistic, not stupid.






If you are unwilling to put effort into defending your work it isn't worth our effort to listen. Do you, at the ripe old age of 19, really believe that you have a superior concept of autism? That no one here could possibly have considered your ideas before? That you actually have THE ANSWER?


LOL. You're killing me.
























Wavefreak, I am afraid I am not killing you, although you are not allowing yourself to wait a moment for me to compose this. I cannot provide links. Wrong planet will not let me until I have five posts.

The overall premise is that Autism is from neanderthals, disorders do not exist because they're is no cause and large amount of our disorder is really diversity that we have yet become aware of. Most of this diversity is obviously driven by genetics


the idea is that autism isnt a disorder

that autism isnt a disease that autism does not exist only diversity



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22 Dec 2010, 10:27 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Xenzaka wrote:
how annoying i cant even provide links


That's to prevent spam. If you really have something to offer (I haven't given up on you, but your approach isn't promising), you'll hang around.


I really believe you should take it easy. You're getting a little to crazy here. It's just the internet.

I can provide links, let me provide links.

I don't have time to label them, have fun clicking. I have to get to work soon. I just wanted to see how this post was and see if there was any discussion. I am sorry I wrote the post wrong, I have communication trouble if you could use your analyzing skills to try and understand that would be more efficient and beneficial. Thanks for your understanding.























hey i just tried posting links and it still wont let me i give up here, this is not the place for me to discuss this



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22 Dec 2010, 10:32 am

I am sorry. I made this post wrong. I cannot provide links to "back up" my discussion. My point was that disorders do not exist. That only diversity exists. I have a way to prove it. My whole room has articles plastered on the walls, all walls. I study this everyday and night. I study the occult, I am very familiar with occultism which helps the most in understanding diversity and the Universe.

I am sorry, I cannot continue this post. I cannot provide links, and I do not feel like I am in the right place to discuss this material.

If I would have wrote the post better, I would have got warmer and more friendly response.

I am not here to argue, only to spread some awareness on a couple of things.

If you're interested, do your on research. I'm out of here. Autism is relative to neanderthals, and RH- blood

rehuses negative is an important factor, same with genetics

I am sorry, but this forum I have found (autistic or not) is probably not the place for me.

I wish I could provide links but I keep getting the same BS: In order to try to prevent spammers, we do not allow our users to post URLs in any form until they have posted at least 5 legitimate posts and have been with us for more than 5 days. We appreciate your understanding in this matter in order to help us eliminate spam from this forum. If you have somehow gotten this message even though you meet both of the criteria, please let us know ASAP.

Thanks!

I am sorry, I only came here to discuss one particular thing here and I can't. Maybe another time.

I will go.

Thank you for listening.



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22 Dec 2010, 10:38 am

Also, Wavefreak, be a little more polite to people you do not know.

You never know how much someone is just trying to help others. That's the sad part.