Two distinct aspie outlooks on life?

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Would you agree with me that there are, broadly, two aspie outlooks on life:

"There's something wrong with me" and "The world is wrong"

Sometimes I come across aspies in the first category, and I think to myself hopefully they will eventually "graduate" to the second category. My AS friends fall into the second category ("arrogant" type, rather than "needy" type, in terms of NT perception). I fall into the second category now on most days, but when I was growing up I was mostly in the first category.

There possibly exists a third category, "there is nothing wrong with either the world or me", but to genuinely fall into this category one requires the philosophical discipline of a Zen monk.

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Define "wrong" please. No wait... dont! I disagree already.

Define right instead: without letting it sound like a cliché!

"Wrong" is "that which needs to change", and "Right" is "that which should be allowed to remain the same".

So,

The "there's something wrong with me" aspies are those who - when an AS related problem or misunderstanding occurs - wish they could think or behave more like NTs.

The "the world is wrong" aspies are those who - when an AS related problem or misunderstanding occurs - wish NT people would think more like themselves.

The third category - if they exist - I imagine they just remain calm and unperturbed by AS related problems and misunderstandings.

Hope that helps!

that's what psychedelic plants teach you too. It's easy to see it as true when you're in the temporary enlightened state which those plants can give you, but then the effects wear off and it's hard to stay in that mind frame..

Let the NTs take the psychedelic plants.... perhaps the enlightening effects of the plants will finally bring them around to my way of seeing things

Or love it?

Anything you like, because in this category I think we're talking about Smurfs, not people who actually exist

well, they sound to the extreme and stereotypical, but yes, you could say they are general AS vieuwpoints; although i dont agree to the usage of the word 'wrong'

Sorry, I couldn't find the "tongue-in-cheek" emoticon.

You assume there is an error either way. I dont care if we are all errors, both me and the world. I didnt design it.

I am referring to tendencies that we have to think in certain ways. I did not make any statements about the inherent "rightness" or "wrongness" of something. The fact is, when a problem occurs with another person, we do care and we do tend to have our own ideas about who was "wrong" (myself or the other person/people) in that instance. We tend to have an idea about who perhaps should have done things differently or been more accommodating. That is what I'm referring to.

It's possible to hold both beliefs simultaneously as well. Or to see saw between them. I've had both.

I don't tend to frame things so dualistically anymore; I see things as clusters of conditions, and focus on how I can relate to or change them to our advantage.

This is shifting for all people. Its about facing new situations and to correct oneself if we are in the wrong position. I guess with a positive attitude you finally cant do much "wrong".
Offended people have a problem and need help. If we are offended we have to express that because orelse we wont get any help. As to people who shut themselves away from us, they should be indifferent. At least thats how I see it.

I always considered world different and illogical (yeah, wrong), but they used to tell me I am wrong and I am someone worse.

I see many people doing this seemingly intuitively but it's nothing I do. It confuses me. If there's a problem, I don't go hunting for the criminal first thing. It's such an irrational thing to do to me - though it certainly must serve a purpose in those who think and perceive differently from me.

I instantly want to work around it... and then try to remind myself that many people instantly worry about who's to blame and that I am expected to do the same. "This cup of ice-cream isn't in the freezer and it melted." "It wasn't me, I'm not to blame!" Who cares? Knowing who left it outside doesn't change anything!

My family (ADHD-ish) is really into "who is wrong?" and "i am not wrong!". I grew up with them getting worked up about whatever I said but didn't say - them reading "between the lines" of my very literal speech.

For the longest time and especially after my diagnosis until winter last year, I tried hard to adopt that way of thinking a little to avoid trouble/avoid standing out but me trying to do it just attracted insults, arguments and lots of distress. Maybe I'm doing the "reading between the lines to catch the culprit" entirely wrong and I decided to stop at the end of last year. I got into arguments I felt silly about later because I only started them for the sake of "doing it the way others might do it".

Socially, I see how it often is important to remember to figure out the culprit to understand why other people involved react the way they do. It's difficult to do it the right way.

Edit: Oh and sometimes I suppose I need to know who/what is to blame to be able to understand a problem completely and change a situation for the better! I am somewhat blind to that however which is then very impairing.

I don't do right and wrong unless I'm talking about emotions. I see the difference between what I perceive the world to be and what it is by measuring the difference between the responses I expect to get and the ones I'm actually given. It's a bit like attempting to find dark matter by looking for its "footprint" on normal matter. Before my diagnosis, I had the "wrong" impression a lot--I thought that the reason why I had trouble holding friends and never had much success despite being great "on paper" was due to the moral shortcomings of those around me. It wasn't until I learned where my blind spots are that I began to be able to see that other people had them too. I'm not sure what group that would have put me in. Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of over-generalization, because I consider it to be weak, rushed reasoning.