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28 Jun 2006, 5:45 pm

I'm 36 and have finally come to the conclusion (albeit accidentally) that I am probably an aspie. Since finding this out I have since learned that there are many famous people throughout history that you all probably know are suspected of having A.S. or at least been on the spectrum somewhere.

The thing is, that for years I have read various biographies (I don't read fiction, which I have since learned is one of an aspie's many traits) and I now realise that the biographies I was drawn to are about people that are now thought to have been on the spectrum eg.

Nikola Tesla (got me interested in electricity)
Isaac Newton (I like how he would give a lecture to an empty room)
Michel Angelo (He got me into sculpting)
Einstein (dude)
Dian Fossey (I went to Rwanda to see her gorillas--incredible)
Sophie Germain (french number cruncher)

Has this happened to anyone else ? Is it a coincidence ? Is there such a thing as coincidence ?


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28 Jun 2006, 8:53 pm

Authors Howard Phillips Lovecraft and possibly J.R.R. Tolkein, I think. In both cases their freinds described them as having annoying, droning, monotonous, "pedantic" and "nasal" voices, and neither seemed very comfortable in crowds, and both seemed to prefer isolation and their own fantasy creations. Lovecraft for certain seemed to prefer communicating by letter than face-to-face; he also suffered a "nervous breakdown" at a young age which prevented him from finishing school and which drove him to seclusion in his family home; Lovecraft would never hold a regular job his entire life. Tolkien supported himself by lecturing at college, a job he evidently hated and dreaded as much as the students who could frequently be found dozing through Tolkein's monotonous lectures on subjects that only Tolkein seemed to be interested in. Common criticisms of the works of both writers seem like they could just as easily have been written about Aspies: characters are infamously "emotionless" and "shallow", dialogue, where present, tended to be a bit un-natural and stilted, favoring a very formal lecturing style; and the extreme and "long-winded" attention to detail on strange subjects (take architecture in Lovecraft's case, and languages in Tolkien's, as only two of several possible examples) suggest the focus-subjects and hobbies typical of Asperger's. Any one of Lovecraft's protagonists, eccentric and distant loners with peculiar hobbies, could be a perfect portrait of an Aspie.

I'd suggest taht probably the infamous Marquis De Sade, too, was somewhere on the Autistic Spectrum... he certainly had other problems, but what I've read of his work again presents startlingly long-winded lectures (even by my standards) and characters almost completely void of any emotional expression whatsoever (even though constantly presented with numerous opportunities to express horror, terror, hatred, and revulsion, their typical response was either of mute shock or a distant philosophical discourse on their situation.) But, more than that, De Sade's stories, The 120 Days of Sodom in particular, consisted of little more than endless lists and catalogues and careful organisations of not just the horrific perversions which seemed to be his focus, but down to insane and seemingly irrelevant details (including tables and charts!) of precisely how many times each character chewed their food and things of that nature. (The bizarre biography of De Sade might, perhaps, be illuminating from the perspective of someone trained to look for Autistic traits, I suspect.)

EDIT: I just remembered that H.P.Lovecraft taught himself to read and write English, Latin, and Greek at an early age as well as chemistry and astronomy, but was a general dis-appointment in school.

Also, I'll add conservative commentator William F. Buckley jr., whose peculiar speaking style and stilted vocabulary usually left an impression that he was pretentious, arrogant, distant, and "nerdy", as a possible Aspie. Also, maybe Thomas Paine, and probably at least a couple of the gentlemen who wrote the United States Constititution (which outlined what I would consider a bizarrely Aspie-friendly government at a time when the majority of Americans were, by all accounts, demanding their own authoritarian king.)



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28 Jun 2006, 11:56 pm

The very person that Asperger syndrome was named after, Hans Asperger is suspected to have had it. Other people suspected to have had Aspergers are, Ludwig van Beethoven, Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton. A lot of historic figures showed signs of Aspergers syndrome.



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29 Jun 2006, 9:05 pm

I suspect that the eccentric Norwegian "dark-wave" musician Mortiis might be, too.



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29 Jun 2006, 9:25 pm

sid wrote:
(I don't read fiction, which I have since learned is one of an aspie's many traits)

If you've met one aspie, then you've met ONE aspie....

I enjoy reading fiction, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I prefer fiction set in the current time period (plus or minus a few decades) so that I can recall media images to construct the scenery in my head.

I tried reading science fiction and there are a few books I enjoyed, but for the most part they are too alien for me [pardon the pun]. If I have to create an other-worldly scenery in my mind then I tend to be a lot less satisfied because the mental image starts out very bland and I have to read portions of the book over and over again until the relationship between the characters and environment makes sense. It's just so much easier at the movies where the CGI does all the work for you. :-)

The other thing I hate is multitudes of characters. It's not so bad on TV or in movies where the pace is quick, but in print I can't track the actions of more than about 4 or 5 people from one scene cut to the next because I don't read often enough and fast enough to maintain a good visual flow. When I pick up the book again after a break I usually have to go back several pages to get the flow of images going again.


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02 Jul 2006, 4:52 pm

I also like fiction, however I prefer stuff that is realistic and could happen, science fiction doesn't really do it for me, although having said that there are some good sci-fi stuff that explores ideas that I dont mind, for example 1984.

As for well known people, I was reading this bio of Eddie Van Halen and thought some of the things about him seemed like he could be on the spectrum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Van_Halen



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02 Jul 2006, 5:19 pm

Where as i love fiction especially sci fi and fantasy, infact sci fi, fantasy and detective novels makes up a very large portion of what i read. (though i go through phases). I hardly ever read factual stuff and certainly not biographies. This all proably relates to my long held dislike of anything too firmly rooted in the real world. I've allways been this way, can't get my head round it, am not interested in it, ignore it a lot of the time.
When people say i'm in a 'world of my own' they are actually pretty much right.


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03 Jul 2006, 4:50 am

I've always wanted to be friends with people similar to me: normal, but not normal enough.

As far as dates go I think yes, and no.