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30 Mar 2013, 7:56 pm

I've been watching Teal's videos for a while. I'm not entirely a believer of 99% of the "New Age" stuff but I feel like she has a lot of wisdom sometimes..
Then I just saw this today when I checked my subscriptions:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McsUc8ydzoM[/youtube]

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30 Mar 2013, 8:50 pm

Indigo children they call us. I don't believe it either 99% and some of it sounds nice towards us, it makes us feel special and i wonder if that's why its attractive to some.
My cousin called me in Indigo child back in the 1990s, she's all into new age things.

Yet i tend to be more... skeptic.

Sometimes i wonder though. I wonder if it's some form of evolution type thing... i don't know. Most the time it blows my mind trying to interpret what they say on the video



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30 Mar 2013, 9:03 pm

This seems to be largely rubbish. "Some people are choosing not to activate the DNA which causes them to have both feet in the physical realm"? What? I didn't choose to be autistic, I have been autistic since before I was capable of making decisions.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:13 pm

One can understand why many parents would not want their child to be labeled as ADD, ADHD, or even AS/ASD. These labels imply that their children are imperfect. Some may even take it to mean the child is "damaged" or "defective".

Specifically, such a diagnosis simply means their children's behavior is due to neuro-biological conditions. To some, this is the same as having a malfunctioning brain, a mental disorder, or that their precious baby is a "ret*d".

Understandably, emotions run high when parents are confronted with news of their children's "imperfections".

Treatment of children with neuro-biological conditions is a hot button issue for the mass media, attack lawyers, talk show hosts, columnists, and others not known for their ability to present complicated scientific or medical matters in a helpful and compassionate manner. Many media types jump on the bandwagon and attack the drug industry and psychiatrists for over-drugging our children. Opposition is fruitless, because few will listen to those who would defend those who "abuse" children with valid and helpful medical treatment. Fewer still will bother to investigate to see whether the critics know what they are talking about.

It is easier for hysterical parents to delude themselves into believing that their children are NOT defective, but only "misunderstood" by people who will not accept their children, and these deluded parents end up buying into the whole "Indigo Child" mythology.

So, just like a 14-year old unmarried pregnant girl claiming that her unborn child was conceived "immaculately", these parents claim that their children are the next step in human evolution, and thus perpetuate the myth that nobody should treat them as anything less than gods.

Believing in such myths also allows the comfort of having an opinion without the discomfort of having to think.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:13 pm

I try to ignore when she says things like that, and focus on philosophical implications...

But yea, Indigo children is something I've heard a lot. I definitely see a lot of myself in those descriptions.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:14 pm

Off topic but she is ever such a pretty girl.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:16 pm

Fnord wrote:
One can understand why many parents would not want their child to be labeled as ADD, ADHD, or even AS/ASD. These labels imply that their children are imperfect. Some may even take it to mean the child is "damaged" or "defective".

Specifically, such a diagnosis simply means their children's behavior is due to neuro-biological conditions. To some, this is the same as having a malfunctioning brain, a mental disorder, or that their precious baby is a "ret*d".

Understandably, emotions run high when parents are confronted with news of their children's "imperfections".

Treatment of children with neuro-biological conditions is a hot button issue for the mass media, attack lawyers, talk show hosts, columnists, and others not known for their ability to present complicated scientific or medical matters in a helpful and compassionate manner. Many media types jump on the bandwagon and attack the drug industry and psychiatrists for over-drugging our children. Opposition is fruitless, because few will listen to those who would defend those who "abuse" children with valid and helpful medical treatment. Fewer still will bother to investigate to see whether the critics know what they are talking about.

It is easier for hysterical parents to delude themselves into believing that their children are NOT defective, but only "misunderstood" by people who will not accept their children, and these deluded parents end up buying into the whole "Indigo Child" mythology.

So, just like a 14-year old unmarried pregnant girl claiming that her unborn child was conceived "immaculately", these parents claim that their children are the next step in human evolution, and thus perpetuate the myth that nobody should treat them as anything less than gods.

Believing in such myths also allows the comfort of having an opinion without the discomfort of having to think.


I agree, but I think she has some valid points on how to deal with aspie children and whatnot... that we could actually possibly learn from them as well.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:17 pm

Fnord wrote:
One can understand why many parents would not want their child to be labeled as ADD, ADHD, or even AS/ASD. These labels imply that their children are imperfect. Some may even take it to mean the child is "damaged" or "defective".

Specifically, such a diagnosis simply means their children's behavior is due to neuro-biological conditions. To some, this is the same as having a malfunctioning brain, a mental disorder, or that their precious baby is a "ret*d".

Understandably, emotions run high when parents are confronted with news of their children's "imperfections".

Treatment of children with neuro-biological conditions is a hot button issue for the mass media, attack lawyers, talk show hosts, columnists, and others not known for their ability to present complicated scientific or medical matters in a helpful and compassionate manner. Many media types jump on the bandwagon and attack the drug industry and psychiatrists for over-drugging our children. Opposition is fruitless, because few will listen to those who would defend those who "abuse" children with valid and helpful medical treatment. Fewer still will bother to investigate to see whether the critics know what they are talking about.

It is easier for hysterical parents to delude themselves into believing that their children are NOT defective, but only "misunderstood" by people who will not accept their children, and these deluded parents end up buying into the whole "Indigo Child" mythology.

So, just like a 14-year old unmarried pregnant girl claiming that her unborn child was conceived "immaculately", these parents claim that their children are the next step in human evolution, and thus perpetuate the myth that nobody should treat them as anything less than gods.

Believing in such myths also allows the comfort of having an opinion without the discomfort of having to think.


What if there is no such thing as imperfect...only variation.

Perfection actually does not exist, it's a man made ideology and nothing more. Not a reality.

If perfection does not exist how can things be imperfect. For to have one you must have the other....



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30 Mar 2013, 9:17 pm

bumble wrote:
Off topic but she is ever such a pretty girl.


Haha totally, has made her videos that much easier to watch :lol:



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30 Mar 2013, 9:22 pm

uwmonkdm wrote:
Indigo children is something I've heard a lot.

The concept of "Indigo Children"* is a myth. The key word "Indigo" has nothing to do with the color of an aura*. It is the result of claims made by a woman who has the brain disorder called synesthesia.

People may also see auras if they have migraines, certain forms of epilepsy, visual system disorders like cataracts or glaucoma, or retinal fatigue and other natural perceptual processes, not the unleashing of hidden psychic* powers.

Something similar happens when you stare at certain colored or black and white patterns. Vision is not the verbatim recording of the outside world. When looking at a colored object, for example, the eye does not transmit to the brain a continuous series of duplicate impressions. The brain itself supplies much of the visual perception. In short, even if auras are perceived, that is not good evidence that there is an energy field in the physical or supernatural* world corresponding to the perceptions, and it certainly does not prove their existence either.

The concept of "Indigo Children"* is a myth.

*Auras, psychic powers, Indigo Children, and the supernatural world are mere mythological concepts, and have nothing to do with reality.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:27 pm

Fnord wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
Indigo children is something I've heard a lot.

The concept of "Indigo Children" is a myth. The key word "Indigo" has nothing to do with the color of an aura*. It is the result of claims made by a woman who has the brain disorder called synesthesia.

People may also see auras if they have migraines, certain forms of epilepsy, visual system disorders like cataracts or glaucoma, or retinal fatigue and other natural perceptual processes, not the unleashing of hidden psychic* powers.

Something similar happens when you stare at certain colored or black and white patterns. Vision is not the verbatim recording of the outside world. When looking at a colored object, for example, the eye does not transmit to the brain a continuous series of duplicate impressions. The brain itself supplies much of the visual perception. In short, even if auras are perceived, that is not good evidence that there is an energy field in the physical or supernatural* world corresponding to the perceptions, and it certainly does not prove their existence either.

The concept of "Indigo Children" is a myth.

*Auras, psychic powers, Indigo Children, and the supernatural world are mere mythological concepts, and have nothing to do with reality


Ah, yes.. I don't believe in the myths, I just see it as a way of characterizing a certain type of personality. A lot of people just happen to have it these days it seems.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:30 pm

uwmonkdm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
Indigo children is something I've heard a lot.
The concept of "Indigo Children" is a myth. The key word "Indigo" has nothing to do with the color of an aura*. It is the result of claims made by a woman who has the brain disorder called synesthesia.

People may also see auras if they have migraines, certain forms of epilepsy, visual system disorders like cataracts or glaucoma, or retinal fatigue and other natural perceptual processes, not the unleashing of hidden psychic* powers.

Something similar happens when you stare at certain colored or black and white patterns. Vision is not the verbatim recording of the outside world. When looking at a colored object, for example, the eye does not transmit to the brain a continuous series of duplicate impressions. The brain itself supplies much of the visual perception. In short, even if auras are perceived, that is not good evidence that there is an energy field in the physical or supernatural* world corresponding to the perceptions, and it certainly does not prove their existence either.

The concept of "Indigo Children" is a myth.

*Auras, psychic powers, Indigo Children, and the supernatural world are mere mythological concepts, and have nothing to do with reality
Ah, yes.. I don't believe in the myths, I just see it as a way of characterizing a certain type of personality. A lot of people just happen to have it these days it seems.

There are perfectly adequate clinical labels already in use for "a certain type of personality" that do not invoke any supernatural bullsnot.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:31 pm

Fnord wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
Indigo children is something I've heard a lot.
The concept of "Indigo Children" is a myth. The key word "Indigo" has nothing to do with the color of an aura*. It is the result of claims made by a woman who has the brain disorder called synesthesia.

People may also see auras if they have migraines, certain forms of epilepsy, visual system disorders like cataracts or glaucoma, or retinal fatigue and other natural perceptual processes, not the unleashing of hidden psychic* powers.

Something similar happens when you stare at certain colored or black and white patterns. Vision is not the verbatim recording of the outside world. When looking at a colored object, for example, the eye does not transmit to the brain a continuous series of duplicate impressions. The brain itself supplies much of the visual perception. In short, even if auras are perceived, that is not good evidence that there is an energy field in the physical or supernatural* world corresponding to the perceptions, and it certainly does not prove their existence either.

The concept of "Indigo Children" is a myth.

*Auras, psychic powers, Indigo Children, and the supernatural world are mere mythological concepts, and have nothing to do with reality
Ah, yes.. I don't believe in the myths, I just see it as a way of characterizing a certain type of personality. A lot of people just happen to have it these days it seems.

There are perfectly adequate clinical labels for "a certain type of personality" that do not invoke any supernatural bullsnot.


The psychology of personality feels like as much bullsnot as the aura gibberish to me though, so when someone comes along with a description that sounds exactly like me, I take note :shrug:



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30 Mar 2013, 9:34 pm

uwmonkdm wrote:
The psychology of personality feels like as much bullsnot as the aura gibberish to me though, so when someone comes along with a description that sounds exactly like me, I take note :shrug:

Confirmation Bias.



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30 Mar 2013, 9:42 pm

Fnord wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
The psychology of personality feels like as much bullsnot as the aura gibberish to me though, so when someone comes along with a description that sounds exactly like me, I take note :shrug:

Confirmation Bias.


Maybe, but I'm not saying I believe in the "aura" thing or that indigo children are the next step in evolution etc.. I just happen to fit the description of the traits people ascribe to "indigo children"



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30 Mar 2013, 10:42 pm

I tried to watch the video, but my "bullsh*t" detectors started going into overdrive and I couldn't get through more than 2/3rds of it.

The bit about the next stage of evolution is just so much rubbish its unreal. Anyone who knows anything about evolutionary biology would be agast. But then most Americans don't believe in evolution anyway :roll:

I agree with a lot of what Fnord says, and never thought of linking synesthesia to seeing auras; good one.

While we have found there are about 27 genes involved in autism, we still don't understand what causes it; just genetics, or environmental issues, viruses etc.

We really don't understand much about how the brain works. I do think that autism is part of the human genome, its there because it can be useful. Like things such as sickle cell anemia, a bit can be good, and too much can be bad.

I really don't think we need such mumbo jumbo.