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14 Jan 2011, 11:47 am

I have been told i have semantic pragmantic disorder before. Anyway sometimes when i get angry or when i am in a normal mood in general i am told by people around me that i talk in 'riddles' and i do not make sense to them sometimes.

i have been told i talk unusuall fast and stutter a lot so maybe there deficits in speech can be overcome?



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14 Jan 2011, 1:21 pm

When one sys "he talks in riddles" my first thought isn't autism or about comorbid condition like SPD, but schizophrenia, maybe bi-polar mania. It would depends on exactly what you mean by talking in riddles. SPD, as I understand it, can lead to verbosity, being off-topic (talking around the topic, or showing poor conception of the topic), problem answering questions directly, and using words in the wrong context--but not talking in riddles. Unless that's what people think you are doing when in fact you're just talking around topic because you have trouble understanding the topic.

I have a bit of SPD, but it's not that bad. I was aware of it long before I was dx'd and learned to cope with it. I can recognize when I'm not quite grasping a question and can rephrase it in my head until it makes sense to me. Lots of college-level writing and social interaction with educated people helped me improve a lot in these area.



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14 Jan 2011, 1:58 pm

Yeah but people with schizophrenia and bi polar tend to be good communicaters. sometimes i know what i am saying i just have trouble saying it and it comes out the wrong way like i jumble up my words or stutter excessivley.

Is it possible i have AS and have developed schizophrenia?



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14 Jan 2011, 2:21 pm

It is highly unlikely that your speech patterns are a sign of schizophrenia and more than a little irresponsible to suggest it with so little evidence. The reality is that autistic people sometimes share a lot of superficial traits with schizophrenia including speech patterns. But for autistic people these are entirely from language issues while with schizophrenia it's supposedly because of disordered thought patterns. If you know what you're saying but talk around it because of language issues then that's overwhelmingly likely to be an autistic thing. But this IS how autistic people get misdiagnosed. Schizophrenia is hands down the most common misdiagnosis for autism.


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14 Jan 2011, 2:24 pm

One thing I fear i may have is NPD. Narcassistic Personality Disorder.



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14 Jan 2011, 3:07 pm

Jamesy wrote:
One thing I fear i may have is NPD. Narcassistic Personality Disorder.


If you fear you have it, you probably don't. It is almost impossible to cure, mainly due to the fact that people don't recognise that they have it, they just think they are great. I am a bit self obsessed myself, but I think this is common with Aspies, and I am constantly trying to self correct for any tendencies to get what I want (which actually means I often deny myself things I really want). I am really bad at manipulating people (and would be horrified to do such a thing anyway) and I think most autistic people are not good at people manipulation and therefore not likely to be NPD. I have been the victim of someone who is likely NPD (but who thinks she is the strongest, most moral person there is) and it wasn't pretty (basically they use people - try to make themselves out as being like you to get your approval, then drop you when you can no longer satisfy them).



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14 Jan 2011, 3:13 pm

Yeah but i have been told i am very good at manipulating people 8O



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14 Jan 2011, 3:36 pm

Jamesy wrote:
One thing I fear i may have is NPD. Narcassistic Personality Disorder.


You absolutely don't have that. You are WAY too down on yourself. NPD people are only down on themselves subconsciously and mask that by being full of themselves outwardly. You don't need to worry about that one.



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14 Jan 2011, 3:45 pm

thanks for that midlife aspie.

have you ever worried that you might have comorbid conditons with AS?



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14 Jan 2011, 3:59 pm

I have several. Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder and occasional bouts of Clinical Depression. I was on Paxil for 6 years.



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14 Jan 2011, 4:00 pm

Yeah i have experience those condtions as well.



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14 Jan 2011, 5:40 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
I have several. Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder and occasional bouts of Clinical Depression. I was on Paxil for 6 years.


It looks like I have all those as well. On the GAD I don't think I have palpitations or shortness of breath, but I have everything else. I have the Social Anxiety disorder also, AND Depression, AND I have SPD, at least for starters. But they are all pretty much common with auutistics, including people with AS. I was prescribed cymbalta, for depression, but decided the supposed cure was worse than the disease. BTW I doubt NPD fits with AS. I certainly don't have THAT. I don't have LOW self esteem, but don't think I am god's gift to mankind. The mayo clinic says that NPD is:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism

I simply want credit for ALL the good I do, have the problems I have weighed against others in an appropriate manner, and NOT get credit for others failings. I look only for proper respect, NOT admiration. And I have seen people even much lower than myself in many areas that excel where I don't, and have certainly seen people that I feel are better than I am in many ways. I care too much for others, don't have fragile self esteem, and don't show ultra confidence. I was SHOCKED when someone told me I came across as confident! And I am my WORST valid critic. If criticism is deserved, I feel bad, but don't feel that it is the end of my world. Of course I HATE undeserved criticism.



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14 Jan 2011, 7:29 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
One thing I fear i may have is NPD. Narcassistic Personality Disorder.


You absolutely don't have that. You are WAY too down on yourself. NPD people are only down on themselves subconsciously and mask that by being full of themselves outwardly. You don't need to worry about that one.


Yeah. I agree.


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14 Jan 2011, 7:33 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Is it possible i have AS and have developed schizophrenia?


This one confuses me. The DSM includes this line:

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Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.


So basically schizophrenia excludes Asperger's. But I've multiple times posts that say you can have both.


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14 Jan 2011, 8:04 pm

I think I've seen that explained before here.



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14 Jan 2011, 8:18 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Is it possible i have AS and have developed schizophrenia?


This one confuses me. The DSM includes this line:

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Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.


So basically schizophrenia excludes Asperger's. But I've multiple times posts that say you can have both.


well, psychos don't seem to care about such things.