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11 Feb 2011, 7:26 am

What got me to start serious self-discovery and find this forum and learn more about AS was an event a few weeks ago where someone I trusted and respected a great deal back-stabbed me very badly, stopping my career dead in its tracks.

In spite of that, I have no bad feelings toward that person and have this powerful desire to simply make things right and get on with my life. In my whole life I have never held a grudge and in the past few days I have come to realise that I am not capable of hatred, even where logic would suggest that it might be appropriate.

Do you find yourself incapable of hatred or grudges? Is this an AS thing or some other component of my personality?



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11 Feb 2011, 7:37 am

I'm certainly capable of hatred and grudges. I can think of many examples.

Still, I am also capable of being unusually forgiving too. If someone asks for forgiveness, I tend to believe them a little too easily. I generally do my best to deal with people honestly, and have a very difficult time remembering that other people can be different. Maybe this is a bit of the reason that I try to keep people at a distance from me. I have been disappointed by people too many times, but still there is a part of me that is too trusting.


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11 Feb 2011, 7:42 am

I'm capable of hatred and grudges. Easily.



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11 Feb 2011, 7:48 am

I'm the polar opposite. I have a lot of bottled-up anger and hatred, even though I tend not to act upon it. I have a great deal of resentment toward people who have bigoted worldviews, or who are just completely unpleasant people in general.


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11 Feb 2011, 7:48 am

cdlu wrote:
What got me to start serious self-discovery and find this forum and learn more about AS was an event a few weeks ago where someone I trusted and respected a great deal back-stabbed me very badly, stopping my career dead in its tracks.

In spite of that, I have no bad feelings toward that person and have this powerful desire to simply make things right and get on with my life. In my whole life I have never held a grudge and in the past few days I have come to realise that I am not capable of hatred, even where logic would suggest that it might be appropriate.

Do you find yourself incapable of hatred or grudges? Is this an AS thing or some other component of my personality?


When someone betrays me I obsess over it for a while and then I put them out of my mind.

It is said the opposite of love is not hatred, but indifference.



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11 Feb 2011, 8:01 am

Aimless wrote:
cdlu wrote:
It is said the opposite of love is not hatred, but indifference.

Well it is said a lot but i don't think it's true. As far as feelings go, hatred is the opposite of love. Then both are feelings, and the opposite of "feelings" is indifference.
I'm capable of hatred, but i also forgive too easily. I alsoo FORGET too easily. It's like i meet people for the first time everytime i meet them, i sometimes have to feel around a bit until i remember what exactly was my relationship with this particular person like , and act it out...



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11 Feb 2011, 8:08 am

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

It hasn't always been that way. I've held my grudges against many people on and offline. As soon as I was able to let go of my last grudge which was against someone here ironically, I was able to start being myself again.


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11 Feb 2011, 8:58 am

I think I don't hate anyone, just dislike & don't want to deal with them. I'm not sure if this is due to being incapable of hatred, not having met anyone worth hating, or not being able to tell the emotion.



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11 Feb 2011, 9:05 am

Hatred takes too much energy for me. For some reason, in me at least, such intensely negative feelings need to be actively nurtured and reinforced. I have to choose to do that. It's easier to just let those feelings wither and die.


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11 Feb 2011, 9:16 am

I'm too forgetful to be particularly hateful or hold grudges for a long time. I used to get into arguments with my dad and I'd always go to bed telling myself that I'd never forgive him. This time's the last time! But then in the morning, I'd have forgotten why I was so upset in the first place.

That said... I will tend to avoid certain people or situations if I've had a bad experience. I do remember, but my solution is avoidance.


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11 Feb 2011, 9:22 am

syrella wrote:
... I will tend to avoid certain people or situations if I've had a bad experience. I do remember, but my solution is avoidance.


There is a lot of sense to that. My approach to people who have hurt me tends to be like a dog might be with a porcupine after trying one once -- avoid the pointy end. No grudge, just: that hurt and I should stay away.



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11 Feb 2011, 9:34 am

When someone backstabs me, deceives me or betrays me in any way, it takes me a long time to forget it. If they offer me a sincere apology for it, fine. I will forgive them but, depending on the issue, I may or may not rekindle the friendship. If I get no apology whatsoever, I don't forgive them and I tend to ex-communicate them.


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11 Feb 2011, 9:43 am

cdlu wrote:
syrella wrote:
... I will tend to avoid certain people or situations if I've had a bad experience. I do remember, but my solution is avoidance.


There is a lot of sense to that. My approach to people who have hurt me tends to be like a dog might be with a porcupine after trying one once -- avoid the pointy end. No grudge, just: that hurt and I should stay away.

Yep! Just like that. It doesn't work in every situation, but it works in enough of them. :D


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11 Feb 2011, 9:51 am

Doesn't hatred require a fairly good theory of mind? I don't feel hated by others because I can't infer what they are feeling. I can't hate something or someone that I have no emotional connection to.

I feel loved only by those that are very close to me and only because I've been around them for so long I have gained some sense of their feelings towards me.

I think this is one reason I am so continually surprised by other people's actions. They do things that are motivated by feelings that are not at all apparent to me. There a lot of "WTF was that all about?" in my life.


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11 Feb 2011, 9:57 am

I hate to say it, but I hold grudges for years, even decades, after the fact. I just can't let them go, which is actually a part of AS.

Am I capable of hatred? No doubt, I can be incredibly hateful towards just about anyone, which I am not proud of in the least. Like a lot of people here, my childhood was fraught with rejection, being bullied, paternal abuse, and being poorly treated. I also have absolutely no trust for anyone, not even most of my family. I have no idea who I can trust, so I only give one chance for people to prove themselves trustworthy before I start thinking about how they might hurt me.

Is a bad childhood an excuse for this? No. But it's still there, and I have no idea how to get rid of this malice or how to "just let go".

To wavefreak58; Hatred doesn't require actual TOM skills; if you can imagine someone else's animosity towards you, whether it's real or just in your head, you can hate. Like with me, a ton of my hate comes from fear of others. I never know their intentions, so I just imagine what bad things they might do to me, then I feel scared and feel powerless, and then the hateful thoughts start pouring in.

It's a sad way to live.


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11 Feb 2011, 10:00 am

Gallygun wrote:
... I also have absolutely no trust for anyone, not even most of my family. I have no idea who I can trust, so I only give one chance for people to prove themselves trustworthy before I start thinking about how they might hurt me. ...


This, rather than the hatred itself, is the source of our difference. Yes I was bullied and had no friends in childhood, but in spite of it I never learned to distrust. I trust everyone until proven otherwise because I hold on to the belief that everyone, like me, always has the best of intentions and I simply cannot get my mind around the concept that someone may not.