Man-made Aspie

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I was talking on the phone with a friend of mine the other day we got talking about Aspergers. She told me that there was a type of vaccination that was given to children at some point in history (probably isn't anymore) that could force traits of Autism. Has anyone else heard of this? A part of me says it's impossible, and when I said so, she said that it wasn't 'Aspergers', just some of the behaviours.

I've heard of it, vaccinations I think, and they don't think that anymore. It was just a popular theory that has been given up now. It is hereditary.

The whole myth has been debunked several times, most recently by CBS News.. The thimerosal in measles vaccines was long considered a culprit in causing autism.

And although it hasn't been completely proven, there are signs that autism could be hereditary.

Some of the debate is still going on - including beyond the curebie groups. There are still some who are wondering if there was not a subset a kids who were genetically more susceptible to the thimerisol in the vaccines OR that the MMR (live virus vaccine without thimerisol) caused some sort of auto-immune reaction. However, even if that were true it would account for only a subset of people and most likely those who were genetically inclined to begin with. Some in the curebie groups however, do not believe that there is any genetic component to autism and that it is caused by environmental factors like vaccines or other exposure to mercury. Those groups also tend to blame mercury for much more than autism though.

My son is aspie and believes up and down mercury and something called thimerasole (maybe vaccination stuff?) are the causes. He considers anything else naive. He ranted about this at his local autism group and produced anger with some people there. He went on a long speel. I was there and the angry tone of his rant embarrassed me and caused two people with autism to leave the room crying. I told him to calm down and told me if I don't like what is said then leave, and I am his own mother. It took a long family discussion before he would agree to write an apology note to the people there.

I don't mean to sound so negative with this, but do others here get this way with how they view their condition? My son believes that all problems are human related and can be solved. Does not accept neurological or genetic factors.

My son is definitely not a curebie and still believes it is human related. But he also believes all forms of cancer are human related.

I don't mean to sound inconsiderate, but I'm not sure if I should take my son's approach to autism. Because of the problems I've had with him, it is just natural for me to want to be a curebie. But hes also adhd. My son will tell you outright and direct "I love my autism, and I wish it upon everyone." I certainly do not feel that way and tell him how I feel. And I just never know what to even say to the people he tells that to. He sometimes blurts it out in shopping centers to cashiers like he's ultra proud.

Consider that autism is a result of both genetic and environmental factors. Even identical twins aren't always both autistic, even though there is a higher probability that the other sibling will also have it. Personally, I believe that some types of vaccines might be triggering autism in some cases, that there are a subset of people who probably did become autistic after certain vaccinations. The DTP vaccine is a more likely culprit as a triggering agent, than the MMR vaccine. Neurological problems are a known problem and are amongst the listed possible side-effects.

Genetic? Bah, humbug! Presumption and circular question begging. High powered junk science of compassion burnout of doctors in midlife crisis funded by the monolithic Psychopharmacology industry and advanced by massive kickbacks and the legions of glamour girl sales reps in microskirts.

Ok now that we can dismiss such blatant attempts at a garbled babble, yes there is strong evidence for genetics... especially in my own family. I have Aspergers, my oldest son has Autism, my youngest possibly has Aspergers, their father is non-autistic, my father has some AS traits, my mother is non-autistic, my grandfather on my father's side of the family was likely an Aspie, there are several autistics on that side of the family. If you can explain to me that it was something other than genetics that factors in there... I'd love to see the response.

I seriously doubt that there is any one specific cause for autism. A combination of genetics,bioactive chemicals and other stimuli are all possibly a cause or comtributing factor.
It is currently discussed like there is only one set of factors that could result in autism I think that there are many ways to get here.

It's called Thimerosol--too much mercury in it. It's autism, not necessarily asperger's. Two articles about it:

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0616-31.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0317-05.htm

However, not everyone got it from thimerosol.

There is one thing that tends to bug me about the genetic side to it. If we traced the roots of autistic genetics back to the very first person, how did he get it? I also doubt that mercury was the cause of it, but that first person had to have received it somehow.

If this first person got it, then what makes the rest of us unable to contract it similarly? I don't think genetics plays a major role in much of anything. It just states that changes have been made, mutations, per se, that will transmit from one person to another. In most of these cases, there has to have been that very first person.

I believe that once a person has contracted something, or has gotten aspergers or autism, then the risk is probably high in terms of the genetics of the future family history.

I do believe, however, that the concept of genetics is primarily instituted to re-direct our attention to non-human causes. It maybe true that autism or aspergers may not have been caused by mercury, but genetics is now a huge scientific endeavor. Even things like crime are now being traced to genetics, so pretty soon we are not going to be responsible for anything. We can pollute the air as much as we want, for example, and we simply don't have to worry about it ... it's all genetics.

- Ray M -

I'm sure this is not the case for many aspies in the world, but in my family it has become a stable and predictable thing. This is my family tree descending from my autistic grandfather:
GrandFather (Male) (AS)
....Aunt (Female) (NT)
........Cousin (Male) (NT)
........Cousin (Female) (NT)
....Aunt (Female) (AS)
........Cousin (Female) (NT)
........Cousin (Male) (AS)
........Cousin (Male) (NT)
....Uncle (Male) (AS)
........Cousin (Male) (NT)
........Cousin (Male) (AS)
........Cousin (Female) (AS)
....Uncle (Male) (AS)
........Cousin (Male) (AS)
........Cousin (Female) (NT)
....Aunt (Female) (NT)
........Cousin (Female) (NT)
........Cousin (Female) (NT)
........Cousin (Male) (NT)
....Father (Male) (AS)
........Brother (Male) (AS)
........Sister (Female) (NT)
........Sister (Female) (NT)
........ME (Male) (AS)
....Aunt (Female) (NT)
....Uncle (Male) (NT)
........Cousin (Female) (NT)

If you examine the data you'll find that every time an aspie in my family has children with an NT, exactly half of them turn out aspies, and the other half are NTs, starting from my grandfather, who had 8 children, 4 aspies, 4 NT. So as far as I'm concerned, aspies only come from aspies and I'm 100% sure half my kids will be aspies.

My brother already had an aspie son and other aspie cousins had kids already but they're too young to diagnose.

I also posted the gender to show why I support the theory that autism happens to males more often than females (it's not because of misdiagnosis on women), out of twelve aspies, only two are female, that's a 17% so far. In fact, only twice has a male aspie had an NT male son. So I can almost be sure my male kids will be aspies and the female will be NT.

I have fun with this stuff...

Genetic, definitively!

perhaps it is evolution in action...

It's the old story of the chicken and the egg - which came first?

Following your line of thought, you might as well ask: who was the first human being? First there were just monkeys, and then human beings. Where did that come from? Or: how did that happen

Hard topic. I personally believe it's a mix. I think some of the more severe autistics were meant to be just aspies [or just 'different'] and their brains were more vulnerable to that kind of damage from the thermisol [sp?]. There are others that a definently 'malformed' [I'd say genetic but it may've been an external influences in the womb which interupted development] as I know there is at least one autistic sevant with no hemispheres in his brain. It is just one mass without a devision.. he has a talent for memorising whole phone books etc. but is fairly mantally disabled otherwise [can't remember specifics]. Einstein however apparently had three times the synaspes than the average person so that is another variation. I think trauma may also be able to trigger it in vulnerable kids and I'm sure there are other factors that can induce it as well.