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09 Mar 2011, 2:00 pm

Have you noticed when an NT talks what they say sound a lot more natural and more free flowing. When an aspie speaks they always sound over precise and to a degree quite dramatic in what they say and it just does not sound as natural or as causual as an NT. Also in terms of facial expressions NTs expression just look relaxed and aspies look very stiff and wooden when they talk.

I find as well that some NTs when there camera can also just appear relaxed and let what they flow out natuarlly and when an aspie talks to a camera its like there standing and giving a very important infront of a large crowd.

Do you agree or not?



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09 Mar 2011, 2:09 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Have you noticed when an NT talks what they say sound a lot more natural and more free flowing. When an aspie speaks they always sound over precise and to a degree quite dramatic in what they say and it just does not sound as natural or as causual as an NT. Also in terms of facial expressions NTs expression just look relaxed and aspies look very stiff and wooden when they talk.

Do you agree or not?

I...don't. I can see you are using "free-flowing" as a positive term. Actually, it is, but I can't link "free-flowing speech" with NT speech. Probably because my brain stalls as I try to link their scripts to anything having concrete meaning. Most of what they say is free flowing chaos to me. I would call it free flowing speech if I could make sense of it without having to analyze every sentence and try on every possible meaning before i can answer .
As for the facial expressions, i still don't agree. Sometimes there is so much movement and agitation there that it creeps me out, I've been known to step back when a 20 something girl screetches out in glee. Like, wow, relax. :lol:



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09 Mar 2011, 3:03 pm

It makes it sound as if ASD people are like Bela Lugosi and his Dracula performance.



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09 Mar 2011, 3:25 pm

I know what you're saying, but it makes me think of Captain Kirk. :lol:

But yeah, when other people talk, it just seems to come naturally, like they aren't even thinking about it, whereas when I talk, it's choppy and awkward.



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09 Mar 2011, 3:43 pm

I have noticed I tend to add too many details and can have a hard time expressing myslf so I may overtalk, as if trying so hard to not be misunderstood.Ive also heard I sometimes repeat myself.

With expressions I probably make too many.Ive seen myself on video and I appear nervous or something at times.Maybe because I am? Not sure, but it looks annoying.



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09 Mar 2011, 5:38 pm

I notice other people seem to be able say the right things automatically and casually and i say something awkwardly that seems to be wrong then say something more to explain better and that sounds wrong so i say something more etc.

I know I sound robotic, I have been told too.



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09 Mar 2011, 6:25 pm

Free flowing - yes - like they can't shut up =]

I don't mean to be rude - but I find they just have to keep talking - even to themselves. They do not appear to be good listeners though. But I know what you mean - they could talk about eating a jam butty and somehow make it sound like an outstanding event - how the F--- do they do that?! !!

If I painted a replica of the Mona Lisa whilst doing a parachute free fall over an errupting valcano - I would struggle to make an interesting conversation out of it =[



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09 Mar 2011, 9:01 pm

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Free flowing - yes - like they can't shut up =]

I don't mean to be rude - but I find they just have to keep talking - even to themselves. They do not appear to be good listeners though. But I know what you mean - they could talk about eating a jam butty and somehow make it sound like an outstanding event - how the F--- do they do that?! !!

If I painted a replica of the Mona Lisa whilst doing a parachute free fall over an errupting valcano - I would struggle to make an interesting conversation out of it =[


Haha!! so true...158 mns of speech and at the end you hold yourself from asking:"and? what's the pun? there's a...pun ...right?"



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10 Mar 2011, 8:27 am

I think your POV is incorrect, but the gist is correct.

Jamesy wrote:
Have you noticed when an NT talks what they say sound a lot more natural and more free flowing.


what you probably mean is "vague, rambing, with excessive filler"

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When an aspie speaks they always sound over precise and to a degree quite dramatic in what they say and it just does not sound as natural or as causual as an NT.

precise and dramatic is good!

Jamesy wrote:
Also in terms of facial expressions NTs expression just look relaxed and aspies look very stiff and wooden when they talk.

what you probably mean is that aspies force NTs to listen to the content of their speech and not vague, ambiguous body language.

I find as well that some NTs when there camera can also just appear relaxed and let what they flow out natuarlly and when an aspie talks to a camera its like there standing and giving a very important infront of a large crowd.

Do you agree or not?[/quote]

As I said,
I think your POV is incorrect, but the gist is correct.



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10 Mar 2011, 8:32 am

FunnyFairytale wrote:
I have noticed I tend to add too many details and can have a hard time expressing myslf so I may overtalk, as if trying so hard to not be misunderstood.Ive also heard I sometimes repeat myself.

With expressions I probably make too many.Ive seen myself on video and I appear nervous or something at times.Maybe because I am? Not sure, but it looks annoying.


Me too. I do exactly this.
I was going to criticize this post for lack of detail, but I won't :)
It is a personal gripe of mine when people speak so vaguely, instead of precisely and clearly.



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10 Mar 2011, 11:18 am

jackbus01 wrote:
FunnyFairytale wrote:
I have noticed I tend to add too many details and can have a hard time expressing myslf so I may overtalk, as if trying so hard to not be misunderstood.Ive also heard I sometimes repeat myself.

With expressions I probably make too many.Ive seen myself on video and I appear nervous or something at times.Maybe because I am? Not sure, but it looks annoying.


Me too. I do exactly this.
I was going to criticize this post for lack of detail, but I won't :)
It is a personal gripe of mine when people speak so vaguely, instead of precisely and clearly.


Haha! I am just getting comfy around this forum, so that would be why I started out writing less and short I think.Also, Im trying to leave some details out and write in shorter ways.Im experimenting a bit and trying to exclude all the details that may not be necessary.
When I talk however, I still talk a lot.Cant seem to get around that one.



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10 Mar 2011, 7:03 pm

When I was in grad school, another grad student told me that I talked like a textbook. If I stood out like that to a grad student, I must have been pretty bad. I have worked on this since then, but I know that I tend to be pedantic and overly preoccupied with details. I always add a little extra to make sure that I am not misunderstood.


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11 Mar 2011, 6:51 am

Yensid wrote:
When I was in grad school, another grad student told me that I talked like a textbook. If I stood out like that to a grad student, I must have been pretty bad. I have worked on this since then, but I know that I tend to be pedantic and overly preoccupied with details. I always add a little extra to make sure that I am not misunderstood.


Sounds like a compliment. I would be happy if someone told that to me. It sounds like a good thing. Why does it need to be "worked on"?
The problem is that most people are not pedantic enough and need to be more detail-orientated, seriously.
Most people speak too vaguely and ambiguously which contributes to misunderstanding. It is good you don't have this problem.



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11 Mar 2011, 9:31 pm

jackbus01 wrote:
Yensid wrote:
When I was in grad school, another grad student told me that I talked like a textbook. If I stood out like that to a grad student, I must have been pretty bad. I have worked on this since then, but I know that I tend to be pedantic and overly preoccupied with details. I always add a little extra to make sure that I am not misunderstood.


Sounds like a compliment. I would be happy if someone told that to me. It sounds like a good thing.


It definitely was not intended as a complement. It was humor at my expense. It was not malicious, but it was not positive either.

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Why does it need to be "worked on"?


It made me seem odd. It made me stand out in a bad way. It made it more difficult for me to socialize.

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The problem is that most people are not pedantic enough and need to be more detail-orientated, seriously.
Most people speak too vaguely and ambiguously which contributes to misunderstanding. It is good you don't have this problem.


There is some truth in that, but at the same time, I think that moving myself a bit closer to the mean is a good thing, if I want to be able to socialize.


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11 Mar 2011, 9:47 pm

I also feel like I'm floundering for words when walking around in my day to day life, but at other times I think my speech is very free-flowing, at times like a frolicking stream! I feel at my easiest when talking to people who understand 'me', who know that I jump topics and doesn't get plots of movies etc etc. I speak most formally to people I see every day (mostly coworkers)

An NT friend of mine told me that people have to spend so many words blathering to each other because it's not the actual words that are important, it's the time together and the sharing of an experience. The words are merely an excuse to get together and bond. It's an interesting concept, I wish I'd learned this much sooner.