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10 Mar 2011, 6:24 am

This post is rather dumb, but does anyone here dislike using pillows? Personally, I like to keep my head more or less in line with the rest of my body while I sleep, but not entirely. This is a line I read from an article:

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A normal baby will attempt to keep their neck and head upright, while an Asperger's baby will keep their neck in line with their body angle.


The article is right here:
How to Identify Asperger's Symptoms in Your Child

I think the whole thing is a little dumb. Babies shouldn't use pillows while they sleep, as far as I know. I don't think using pillows or not can reveal someone has asperger syndrome at any age. If I am wrong, however, then I never went pass my baby phase when it comes to sleeping. I can't stand having my head upright too much. My mom and sister sleep with like 5 or 6 pillows under their heads.



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10 Mar 2011, 6:28 am

If i don't have at least two pillows, I feel like i'm sleeping upside down (feet higher than the head) and i just can't sleep that way. This theory is....weird :P My husband (not sure what he is) can't sleep with a pillow. My AS son either. My daughter is NT i think, 2 years old, and already can't sleep without a pillow (she used to use her teddybears as pillows, so i just bought her a proper one).
Could be a male/female difference though from what i wrote!



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10 Mar 2011, 7:16 am

I need 4 pillows to get to sleep--one for my head, one between my knees, one under my shoulder and one to keep my lumbar area straight (I sleep on my side). I also need to have one thick king-size foam pillow for my head, at least a queen-size foam pillow for my shoulder and two standards for my knees and back. Feather pillows are too soft and fiber pillows and memory foam aren't soft enough.



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10 Mar 2011, 7:27 am

I probably couldn't sleep without a pillow, and if it's too thick or too thin then it feels like my neck is being twisted off. The correct pillow thickness is the one that keeps my neck straight when I sleep on my side (can't sleep on my back). I have a lot of sensory issues with my neck and shoulders, and always feel as if there's something clinically wrong, but it self-corrects without any therapy. :?

I always envy dogs and cats, they seem to have a better design for head comfort while they're sleeping. Who started this walking-on-two-legs nonsense anyway?



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10 Mar 2011, 8:28 am

I sleep on my side, and like to have a pillow to keep my neck aligned with the rest of my spine.

I am puzzled how you concluded that the article in question had anything to do with pillows, tho. Including the lines before the one you quoted shows a much different context:

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There is a quick tilt test you can do with your baby. You can hold them by the waist and tilt them to the side slowly at about a 45-degree angle. Always hold them over a soft, padded surface. A normal baby will attempt to keep their neck and head upright, while an Asperger's baby will keep their neck in line with their body angle.



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10 Mar 2011, 8:44 am

Yeah, I misread the whole thing. He is talking about holding the baby, not the position the baby chooses while sleeping.



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10 Mar 2011, 9:49 am

All I use is a neck pillow. But then my neck is a bit messed up (spasms, hypermobility, and lack of curvature, among other things). It's not like a regular pillow at all. It's the kind you can buy in airports. In my case it's the kind without a firm fixed shape, so I can move it into any shape I want. And it keeps my head relatively in line with my body, but at the same time provides support to my neck so that it doesn't feel horrible and painful.

But what I've heard of autistic people and the keeping the head aligned with the body in bed has nothing to do with this, it has to do with a lack of a certain reflex to right oneself when tilted, in infancy.


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10 Mar 2011, 9:55 am

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There is a quick tilt test you can do with your baby. You can hold them by the waist and tilt them to the side slowly at about a 45-degree angle. Always hold them over a soft, padded surface. A normal baby will attempt to keep their neck and head upright, while an Asperger's baby will keep their neck in line with their body angle.

I wonder what happens if you do the test on an adult? You could tell them you were measuring foot orientation or something, so that they wouldn't get upset or fake the result.



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10 Mar 2011, 10:01 am

I think I'd try to keep my head upright. Judging my that, I am not an aspie.



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10 Mar 2011, 10:04 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
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There is a quick tilt test you can do with your baby. You can hold them by the waist and tilt them to the side slowly at about a 45-degree angle. Always hold them over a soft, padded surface. A normal baby will attempt to keep their neck and head upright, while an Asperger's baby will keep their neck in line with their body angle.

I wonder what happens if you do the test on an adult? You could tell them you were measuring foot orientation or something, so that they wouldn't get upset or fake the result.

Riding on the back of a motorcycle or in a small aircraft or even on certain carnival rides going through sharp or banked turns would be an equivalent there, and keeping one's neck and head in-line with one's body angle would be the correct thing to do.


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10 Mar 2011, 10:58 am

leejosepho wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
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There is a quick tilt test you can do with your baby. You can hold them by the waist and tilt them to the side slowly at about a 45-degree angle. Always hold them over a soft, padded surface. A normal baby will attempt to keep their neck and head upright, while an Asperger's baby will keep their neck in line with their body angle.

I wonder what happens if you do the test on an adult? You could tell them you were measuring foot orientation or something, so that they wouldn't get upset or fake the result.

Riding on the back of a motorcycle or in a small aircraft or even on certain carnival rides going through sharp or banked turns would be an equivalent there, and keeping one's neck and head in-line with one's body angle would be the correct thing to do.

Isn't the motorbike tilt different, because of gravity seeming to shift direction due to the centrifugal force? Come to think of it, why would an Aspie baby do anything different to a NT baby in the original experiment?



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10 Mar 2011, 11:06 am

I think the position of the head has to do more with blood flow than anything else. Henceforth, an aspie baby, logical as he is supposed to be, would choose to keep his head upright. :)



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10 Mar 2011, 11:17 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
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There is a quick tilt test you can do with your baby. You can hold them by the waist and tilt them to the side slowly at about a 45-degree angle. Always hold them over a soft, padded surface. A normal baby will attempt to keep their neck and head upright, while an Asperger's baby will keep their neck in line with their body angle.

I wonder what happens if you do the test on an adult? You could tell them you were measuring foot orientation or something, so that they wouldn't get upset or fake the result.

Riding on the back of a motorcycle or in a small aircraft or even on certain carnival rides going through sharp or banked turns would be an equivalent there, and keeping one's neck and head in-line with one's body angle would be the correct thing to do.

Isn't the motorbike tilt different, because of gravity seeming to shift direction due to the centrifugal force? Come to think of it, why would an Aspie baby do anything different to a NT baby in the original experiment?

Yes, the tilt of a moving vehicle is different, yet some people must still be told/taught to learn to "just go along with it" and not try to remain vertical. And as to the matter of babies, I would suspect some babies "just go along with it" because they are not inherently inclined to automatically balance themselves or to maintain any preferred "position".


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10 Mar 2011, 11:29 am

leejosepho wrote:
Yes, the tilt of a moving vehicle is different, yet some people must still be told/taught to learn to "just go along with it" and not try to remain vertical. And as to the matter of babies, I would suspect some babies "just go along with it" because they are not inherently inclined to automatically balance themselves or to maintain any preferred "position".

And I guess by the time they're adults, they'll have learned, so testing them would be useless. Bah!



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10 Mar 2011, 11:54 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Yes, the tilt of a moving vehicle is different, yet some people must still be told/taught to learn to "just go along with it" and not try to remain vertical. And as to the matter of babies, I would suspect some babies "just go along with it" because they are not inherently inclined to automatically balance themselves or to maintain any preferred "position".

And I guess by the time they're adults, they'll have learned, so testing them would be useless. Bah!

Yes, maybe ... yet those who "just go along with it" from birth might inherently just also do so later on.


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10 Mar 2011, 12:47 pm

I prefer one fairly heavy natural feather pillow, but I can sleep anywhere anytime... Even a loud, overcrowded stadium. I've slept in all kinds of arrangements in my lifetime, and even slept through a car bombing once. If it's 10:00 PM, I'm going to sleep. Period.


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