Researching autistic asortative mating

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15 Jul 2006, 12:29 pm

Being intruged by the female Aspie photo calendar thread, I got an idea I'd like some feedback on.

It seems to be "well-known" that there is asortative mating going on between Aspies. The question is if this also involves different attitudes towards what is attractive and not, and if Aspies and NTs rate attractivity similar or not.

Now, by giving Aspie-quiz takers a set of pictures (females for male participants and males for female participants) and letting them rate them for attractiveness and perceived "aspieness", it would give some interesting information about how asortative mating might be operating.

The pictures should be of both Aspies and NTs, and quiz-takers should not know which are autistics and which are not.

What do you think? Does anybody want to participate? :twisted:



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15 Jul 2006, 1:22 pm

I think to be scientific you would have to generate the faces or atleast
alter a few faces. Like change eye shape , eye spacing, etc Myself I feel
people look better in motion than in still images. I've notice quite a few
aspies have attached earlobes. I would be curious if that is more common in aspies.
There is software used by police that generates faces. I think its called "Faces".
I bought a copy a long time ago.



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15 Jul 2006, 1:31 pm

rdos wrote:
Being intruged by the female Aspie photo calendar thread, I got an idea I'd like some feedback on.

It seems to be "well-known" that there is asortative mating going on between Aspies. The question is if this also involves different attitudes towards what is attractive and not, and if Aspies and NTs rate attractivity similar or not.

Now, by giving Aspie-quiz takers a set of pictures (females for male participants and males for female participants) and letting them rate them for attractiveness and perceived "aspieness", it would give some interesting information about how asortative mating might be operating.

The pictures should be of both Aspies and NTs, and quiz-takers should not know which are autistics and which are not.

What do you think? Does anybody want to participate? :twisted:


How would you control for prosopagnosia?



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15 Jul 2006, 1:33 pm

rdos, It would be intresting having a scientfic experment.

But I have a question. I noticed that you are also have a theory about the orgin of autism form the neathaderthals. Does this experment having thing to with that theory? I'm just wondering.



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15 Jul 2006, 2:02 pm

scott wrote:
rdos, It would be intresting having a scientfic experment.

But I have a question. I noticed that you are also have a theory about the orgin of autism form the neathaderthals. Does this experment having thing to with that theory? I'm just wondering.


Everything I do has some connection, but in this case it is quite remote. The Neanderthal theory is currently my main "special interest".



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15 Jul 2006, 2:04 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
I think to be scientific you would have to generate the faces or atleast
alter a few faces. Like change eye shape , eye spacing, etc Myself I feel
people look better in motion than in still images. I've notice quite a few
aspies have attached earlobes. I would be curious if that is more common in aspies.
There is software used by police that generates faces. I think its called "Faces".
I bought a copy a long time ago.


I've looked for such possibilities. Do you think it could generate Neanderthal faces as well? :twisted:



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15 Jul 2006, 2:07 pm

Anna wrote:
How would you control for prosopagnosia?


Why would prosapagnosia be important? I don't think prosapagnosia interferes with rating of attractiveness of faces. I could be wrong, but I don't see the connection.



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15 Jul 2006, 2:17 pm

rdos wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
I think to be scientific you would have to generate the faces or atleast
alter a few faces. Like change eye shape , eye spacing, etc Myself I feel
people look better in motion than in still images. I've notice quite a few
aspies have attached earlobes. I would be curious if that is more common in aspies.
There is software used by police that generates faces. I think its called "Faces".
I bought a copy a long time ago.


I've looked for such possibilities. Do you think it could generate Neanderthal faces as well? :twisted:


It has a large database of face parts so I'm guessing It could. It makes only greyscale images. They may have expanded the software (I guessing I bought it 1999). A problem I had with the software is it could not do young faces very good.
They said faces 15 and over but I felt it could not make the ideal face I liked. The
faces seemed older looking.



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15 Jul 2006, 2:57 pm

There are several other "loose ends" here that some have already mentioned.

First, there is prosapagnosia, which is an interesting condition, especially in relation to generation of Neanderthal faces. However, testing for prosapagnosia would involve presenting several faces with some attributes, for instance a name, and checking if people could recognize them on a second glance. Using both modern faces and Neanderthal faces could provide interesting results.

Second, there is (female) "mating cues". I got a video from a professional a while ago with various female courtship behaviors. I did react to some of them but not to others. Unfortunately, Jay didn't allow me to redistrubute them or use them for other purposes, so I cannot test others on those. However, I now know what to look for in NTs as possible courtship cues. I also have a hunch that autistics uses different cues. Therefore, presenting video-sequences of courtships would be extremely interesting, but not very easy to do.

Third, there is my original idea with static pictures. This could possibly be intersting if autistics like some special looks.



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15 Jul 2006, 3:03 pm

I'm willing to join in. Seems you have a interesting theory on your hands and I found my self attracted to it.


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15 Jul 2006, 3:09 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
It has a large database of face parts so I'm guessing It could. It makes only greyscale images. They may have expanded the software (I guessing I bought it 1999). A problem I had with the software is it could not do young faces very good.
They said faces 15 and over but I felt it could not make the ideal face I liked. The
faces seemed older looking.


Do you happen to have a web-site link or any other information so I could possibly locate this software?



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15 Jul 2006, 3:10 pm

I have a book "Body language Secrets:A Guide During Courtship And Dating" by
R. Don Steele. That guy loves to spam me with other products he has. So I'm
guessing if he had the video you needed he might let you use it if he thought
you might "promote" some of his products. I changed my e-mail address so I do
not have his internet location handy.



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15 Jul 2006, 3:15 pm

rdos wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
It has a large database of face parts so I'm guessing It could. It makes only greyscale images. They may have expanded the software (I guessing I bought it 1999). A problem I had with the software is it could not do young faces very good.
They said faces 15 and over but I felt it could not make the ideal face I liked. The
faces seemed older looking.


Do you happen to have a web-site link or any other information so I could possibly locate this software?

http://www.iqbiometrix.com/
Hmm the price seems to have sky rocketed. I paid $50. I nolonger use the software so If I could find my old cd(and its not scartched up) I could send it to
you.
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Oh I see they have a $99 educational version.



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15 Jul 2006, 3:18 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
I have a book "Body language Secrets:A Guide During Courtship And Dating" by
R. Don Steele. That guy loves to spam me with other products he has. So I'm
guessing if he had the video you needed he might let you use it if he thought
you might "promote" some of his products. I changed my e-mail address so I do
not have his internet location handy.


That's great, but where do I get the Aspie-courtship material? :?:

The material I got from Jay R Feierman obviously was something he collected during his research. It was various excepts from movies and probably private recordings as well. All of the scenes were claimed by him to be highly appealing to males, but I didn't find all of it appealing. He also thinks that only females have courtship cues, but I'm not convinced, especially not between Aspies.

I'll look for Steele's book.



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15 Jul 2006, 3:59 pm

They have finally compared Neanderthal DNA to Homosapien DNA and found that there is no relation.


http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/neanderthal.html

In July of 1997 the first ever sequencing of Neanderthal DNA, a breakthrough in the study of modern human evolution, was announced in the Journal Cell (Krings, et. al., 1997). DNA was extracted for the type specimen and the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequence was determined. This sequence was compared to living human mtDNA sequences and found to be outside the range of variation in modern humans. Age estimation of the Neanderthal and human divergence is four times older than the age of the common mtDNA ancestor of all living humans. The authors suggest that the Neanderthals went extinct without contribution to the present mtDNA of modern humans.



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15 Jul 2006, 4:11 pm

lowfreq50 wrote:
They have finally compared Neanderthal DNA to Homosapien DNA and found that there is no relation.


http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/neanderthal.html

In July of 1997 the first ever sequencing of Neanderthal DNA, a breakthrough in the study of modern human evolution, was announced in the Journal Cell (Krings, et. al., 1997). DNA was extracted for the type specimen and the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequence was determined. This sequence was compared to living human mtDNA sequences and found to be outside the range of variation in modern humans. Age estimation of the Neanderthal and human divergence is four times older than the age of the common mtDNA ancestor of all living humans. The authors suggest that the Neanderthals went extinct without contribution to the present mtDNA of modern
humans.


Your references are outdated. Check out this brand-new study instead:

http://genetics.plosjournals.org/perlse ... 020105.eor