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ocdgirl123
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08 Mar 2011, 6:59 pm

It appears that female aspies tend to feel like they are male, and to a lesser extent, men feel as they are women. I am female and don't feel as I am male at all. I don't have problem with transgender people, I just don't feel as I am one.

I mean I'm not OVERLY female, but I am female than male for sure.

Is there any people with AS who don't feel "male" or "female"? Also, can someone please explain to me what they mean they say they "feel like a men/women"?


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08 Mar 2011, 7:06 pm

I feel completely androgynous.

I have the low 2D/4D ratio, which is supposed to indicate a masculinized brain.

I'm outwardly feminine, just because I like to be. I don't consider myself to have gender incongruence.

I think a lot of people feel androgynous. Some traits are just defined as *male* or *female* because they are presented that way in the population, most of the time, males being logical and females being emotional.

It doesn't really mean anything to me.



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08 Mar 2011, 7:11 pm

I'm a straight aspie guy. Only had fantasies and dreams about women, never men. Many aspie women seem to have alternate sexual preferences, either gay or asexual. Some researchers speculate that AS is carried on the Y chromosome, that's why AS is 80% male. I know that if an AS male has a kid with an AS female, that there is a high chance of the kid having full blown autism, so maybe the gender of AS people is to ensure that AS men only have sex with NT women. Then there's Callista's theory that AS men aren't meant to reproduce at all, but their NT sisters are recessive carriers of AS, and thus pass it to the next generation. It's clear that AS is a beneficial mutation to humanity, if it wasn't it would have died out. I suspect that homosexuality exists for a reason too. When NTs speak of wanting prenatal tests for stuff, it's because they want to use forced abortion to eliminate the condition, as they have done with Downs. Someday we may discover that eliminating Downs from the genome has seriously screwed the human race for some weird reason we didn't anticipate.



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08 Mar 2011, 7:12 pm

I'm a male and have a lot of male tendencies including attraction to women, but definitely dislike males to a great extent especially when they use terms like "fag." I don't glorify women but definitely find them to be the better of the two sexes.



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08 Mar 2011, 7:29 pm

pezar wrote:
Some researchers speculate that AS is carried on the Y chromosome, that's why AS is 80% male.
If AS was carried on the Y chromosome, wouldn't it be 100% male?



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08 Mar 2011, 7:34 pm

I just feel like what I'm wearing is a meatsuit that happens to have all the parts required to meet the 'female' standard. This only connects to me in how other people view me, I have no loyalty to my gender and would not miss my breasts or any other uniquely female parts nor do I feel any need to conform to society's stereotypes for the female role. I'm not nurturing, I don't care about getting a guy, I don't dream about starting my own little family with babies, I don't like dresses and I can think of no rational reason to own more than 4 pair of shoes at a time - and 4 pairs is just playing it safe. I don't want those things, other people telling me I am supposed to want them because I have a pair of ovaries seems absurd to me.

The meatsuit is not me, it's just a vehicle I drive. If I had a choice of different vehicles I might pick one according to my mood that day, or I might just pick a male one since the fields my special interests tend to lie in are more male dominated to such an extend that it is often assumed I am a male for having them. If it were normal to our species to have a third neutral gender I could imagine that being the most natural one to me. I'm not unhappy with the gender of my meatsuit, it has it's pluses and minuses as I imagine the other one does. I just don't see it as defining something fundamental to the core of my being, it's main effect has been to influence other people's perception of me, not mine of myself.



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08 Mar 2011, 7:35 pm

I'm male, but I lack some of the stereotypical male traits. That doesn't make me more female. It just makes me less stereotypical male. Unfortunately, many people equate less male with more female, but it is really a change of a different sort.


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08 Mar 2011, 7:50 pm

The whole concept of "feeling male" or "feeling female" (or "feeling both" or "feeling in between" -- both of which imply a sense of gender that I completely lack) is foreign to me.

This doesn't mean I never do or look in ways others would consider masculine or feminine, at all. It just means that when I do, they're not because of any gender inside me. The whole concept of "gender" is foreign to me, so I never do things because of it.


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08 Mar 2011, 7:53 pm

I don't feel male either, but...... I am a male. I've always associated myself as either neither gender or female, usually female. I'm a bit girly and feminist, but not very. Other things too that I won't get into detail with. I am also a pansy, but I don't really care anymore. I guess that this is who I am.



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08 Mar 2011, 8:04 pm

I don't think of myself as "gender-neutral", I actually think of myself as "female".


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08 Mar 2011, 8:16 pm

I'm male. I am NOT interested in sports, NOT aggressive, don't fight, don't even like fights. But I am straight, look male, sound male, am male.

Kberg, I know how you feel. I have felt a similar way at times. It is a shame that we can't go through this world without the hindrance that the body provides. At times it is like Data in the star trek movie where the borg start to integrate him with human parts. He dislikes the problems it presents, but still protects it to prevent pain, etc... BTW did you hear how some have said that the amazons have cut off a breast to be better archers? YIKES!

BTW pezar. Male DOMINANT, but not exclusive, traits are generally carried on the X chromosome, and recessive! In theory, that would make the problem maybe 75% male or so! WHY? Because most females would likely have a DOMINANT gene tthat would override it. Males WOULDN'T, and would be 100% affected, if they had the gene. It is an odd fact that the Y chromosome doesn't have much genetic information, and is even disappearing. Some have surmised that if nothing else ends the human race, THAT probably will.

It is funny how some things appear NOT because something makes them appear, but because something else doesn't prevent them from doing so.



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08 Mar 2011, 9:03 pm

I don't have a concept of being able to feel a certain gender. Do you really have FEMALE or MALE stamped in your brain? And if so what exactly is MALE or FEMALE if not merely your sex organs? The difference between male or female is very subtle to me; females generally are more socially or empathetically minded, for instance, but I think a lot of it is cultural artifacts.



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08 Mar 2011, 9:15 pm

I look like a Lesbian (and have a lot of Lesbian friends) and could pull of gender neutural but I always considered myself female too. Can't explain it more than that but it could be that socially I am resistant to being anything other than female.. idk.... I have been a tomboy my whole life and still am that. So whatever that make me.... ??? Besides confused. LOL!



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08 Mar 2011, 9:16 pm

buryuntime wrote:
I don't have a concept of being able to feel a certain gender. Do you really have FEMALE or MALE stamped in your brain? And if so what exactly is MALE or FEMALE if not merely your sex organs? The difference between male or female is very subtle to me; females generally are more socially or empathetically minded, for instance, but I think a lot of it is cultural artifacts.


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08 Mar 2011, 9:18 pm

Yensid wrote:
I'm male, but I lack some of the stereotypical male traits. That doesn't make me more female. It just makes me less stereotypical male. Unfortunately, many people equate less male with more female, but it is really a change of a different sort.


That is an awesome way to put it....true too


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08 Mar 2011, 9:18 pm

I'm male but in general I've always been more comfortable around women than men - or I should say less uncomfortable - and even identify more with them in some ways. I do think of myself as a straight but it's mostly a hypothetical sense since I have no desire to actually spend time with anyone nor do I like to be touched.