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16 Mar 2011, 3:02 pm

So, I took the WAIS IQ test, and unsurprisingly my VIQ and my PIQ seem pretty discrepant. Scoring a 18, 17, 14, on Vocab, Similarities, and Information respectively, gives me about a 145 score on VCI someone else did the math), I'm not sure what my PIQ is but by my own estimate my score would be deplorable. Could this be a sign of Asperger's? Suppposedly those with Asperger's and Autism by and large tend to score higher on the Block Design, which I only got a 4 on, so I'm not sure. I have no idea what my Processing Speed score was, or Working Memory but the psych commented on the Digit Span, claiming most don't make it that far. So, is this discrepancy possibly hinting at Asperger's? Are there tips and tricks to help me close the gap on VIQ and PIQ.



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16 Mar 2011, 3:07 pm

My verbal iq is much higher than my performance iq.


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16 Mar 2011, 4:01 pm

How much higher, and do you know the cause?



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16 Mar 2011, 4:07 pm

My VIQ is higher than my PIQ by more than two standard deviations. I have a nonverbal learning disorder that is co morbid with my AS. OP NVLD is often co morbid with AS ....but definitely not always...many people with AS have the opposite pattern of IQ (piq>viq). Estimates of the rate of co-occurrence of AS and NVLD have varied widely.

However some symptoms of AS and NVLD overlap... i.e I could attribute my difficulty with recognizing faces and missing nonverbal social cues to either AS or NVLD (especially since my NVLD is severe).



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16 Mar 2011, 4:17 pm

Thales wrote:
So, I took the WAIS IQ test, and unsurprisingly my VIQ and my PIQ seem pretty discrepant. Scoring a 18, 17, 14, on Vocab, Similarities, and Information respectively, gives me about a 145 score on VCI someone else did the math), I'm not sure what my PIQ is but by my own estimate my score would be deplorable. Could this be a sign of Asperger's? Suppposedly those with Asperger's and Autism by and large tend to score higher on the Block Design, which I only got a 4 on, so I'm not sure. I have no idea what my Processing Speed score was, or Working Memory but the psych commented on the Digit Span, claiming most don't make it that far. So, is this discrepancy possibly hinting at Asperger's? Are there tips and tricks to help me close the gap on VIQ and PIQ.


There's sort of a subgroup of autistic people (which apparently includes me) whose best score is Block Design. But it's far from all autistic people and I know plenty of autistic people who are terrible at it. I've also read various studies showing different patterns of subtests in different autistic people. (I don't normally just go around reading studies at all, but I was trying to make a case to someone about a particular score on someone else's test being pretty normal for some autistic people, in a rather high-stakes situation.)

Some people claim that VIQ>PIQ means AS and PIQ>VIQ means autism, but really it can go either way in either, and some autistic people have very similar PIQ and VIQ. But having huge discrepancies among different subtests is common in autistic people, whether they map well to VIQ/PIQ differences or not.

It's also possible to have huge discrepancies among subtests without a big VIQ/PIQ split. Because contrary to popular belief, not everyone's skills map well to the whole idea of VIQ and PIQ being the major divisions between those skills. That sort of irritates me about VIQ and PIQ and the way they're always divided like that regardless of how any individual person's scores are calculated. Like both my lowest and highest scores are in PIQ, for instance, at least the last time I was tested. My skills shift around so much that I am guessing it could go differently any time I was tested, though. (Although I do have a consistent pattern of my IQ score dropping every time I'm tested.)


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16 Mar 2011, 4:28 pm

I heard or read somewhere that Aspergers is usually VIQ > PIQ and HFA is PIQ > VIQ?

My verbal IQ is much higher than my VIQ (technically abnormal) - I too have a diagnosis of NVLD.



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16 Mar 2011, 4:37 pm

This is NOT Aspergers but NVLD. (google it for more information as there is a LOT available)



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16 Mar 2011, 5:44 pm

capneg6 wrote:
I heard or read somewhere that Aspergers is usually VIQ > PIQ and HFA is PIQ > VIQ?


Actually interestingly enough both can go either way, or else without much of a difference between VIQ and PIQ. If there's any difference, it's more a tendency than an absolute -- and that tendency could easily be explained by the fact that AS is defined by less issues with certain aspects of verbal skills than other autism is (so it's kind of a circular definition). But many autistic people do have big differences between either VIQ and PIQ (either way) or other aspects of subscores, and that can be a part of autism, not just of NVLD.


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16 Mar 2011, 8:22 pm

Thales wrote:
How much higher, and do you know the cause?


Twenty-two points higher. No, I do not know the cause.


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17 Mar 2011, 6:37 pm

My official results came back, I have a 99 IQ. He said it was not representative of my true intelligence but I don't care. My verbal IQ is 130, but I boil down to below average, I don't care how I am officially quantified. My perceptual and processing speed indices were what as dragging me down.