Difficulties in forming bonds with people: an ASD thing?

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11 Mar 2016, 11:39 pm

I don't know if this has more to do with the emotional trauma I've experienced in my life or my AS, but I have a very difficult time forming bonds with people. Even when I like a person, spend a lot of time with them, and it's clear they care a lot about me, I generally feel as if it wouldn't matter at all if a suddenly never got to see them again, and I don't miss people when I'm away from them. I'm wondering if this is an ASD thing or is just me. Anyone have some insight?



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12 Mar 2016, 2:58 am

Difficulty forming bonds with people is definitely an ASD thing.



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12 Mar 2016, 3:26 am

It's an emotional trauma thing. ASD communication issues revolve around the lack of ability to communicate properly, not the disinterest in it. I've known both and so do you probably. As a child before losing innocence I couldn't connect with people. I didn't know how to socialize at all. I wasn't disinterested in them though. Years of isolation and verbal torture have rendered my difficulties with trust and disinterest in most people. I'm not completely numb though, and I'm bouncing back and I've also gotten better at in person socializing as well, though I'm still not great at it.



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12 Mar 2016, 3:46 am

I definitely can relate with this. Come to think of it, my attatchment to people has seemed to decline over time up until my first (and only) breakup which I got over in a day. At very least there is a strong corelation between difficulty forming bonds with people and ASD. Based on my experience, Feyokien's description is quite a good one.


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12 Mar 2016, 11:24 am

This isn't an ASD thing, but is very common among people who've experienced trauma or abandonment regardless of neurotype.

However, sadly, ASD people are more likely to experience certain kinds of trauma.



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12 Mar 2016, 11:37 am

I think it is an ASD thing. I can make friends/acquaintances with people easily, but I have trouble getting close to them and actually forming a bond based on knowing each other well. In the past I have been shy about telling people personal things about myself (still am, somewhat), and I just don't know how to advance a friendship to that stage where we really know each other. I also mostly prefer to be by myself rather than with friends, so that prevents me from forming a real bond with someone.



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12 Mar 2016, 11:53 am

Im not sure but i feel the same thing and i dont think i ever been traumatized.

I don't bond with anyone unless they have the same special interest as me. This isn't because i feel disinterested, this is because i physically cant. Ill enjoy their company and ill still seek their friendship but it never goes beyond that, especially when it comes to romantic relationships. I dont seem to have any Oxcytocin release when receiving hugs and kissing from loved ones, although i may enjoy it i dont become calm or happy or feel any closer to the person im with, nor do i feel anxious and nervous, i just feel nothing at all.

I haven't really ever been traumatized, my friends (whom i was very close to) left in highschool which hurt and still hurts but its not trauma, not even close. And my mom left around the same time but i didn't like her, she got angry very easily and was very violent and scary so i wasn't too upset when she left just insulted, besides i always had my dad- best parent in the world.

Sexual trauma in my past is still possible but unlikely according to my psychologist.


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12 Mar 2016, 12:32 pm

I think it’s something that can be an ASD thing. Gillberg’s Asperger’s criteria states:

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1.Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction
(at least two of the following)
(a) inability to interact with peers
(b) lack of desire to interact with peers
(c) lack of appreciation of social cues
(d) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior


I have always lacked the desire altogether. I lack the ability too, but that only feels like a problem when I want to interact with someone, and I have only felt it as a problem with 5 individuals in my life. 4 of them were in real life and two of them were people I became interested in because they had something to do with my obsession at the time.
I’ve just never taken any interest in other people other than parents and grandparents. It certainly wasn’t due to any trauma in my case, as my first 10 years were trauma free.

From I was about 2 and until I was 5 gong on 6 I played a lot with the girl next door. Then she moved, and I didn’t care at all. There was no sense of loss and it didn’t make me take interest in the other kids there.

Just before I turned 6 we moved, and the following year I played almost daily with a younger girl who was a remote relative of mine, and on a few occasions other kids in the neighborhood. In the daycares I went to I preferred going to places of the area where I could be alone and think and dream. Occasionally I played with 3 kids there (the relative I mentioned, a younger boy, and a very young girl of only 2 that I felt very protective of, she was also the closest one to being someone I liked, mostly because I thought of her as being little and cute). That doesn’t mean I always disliked playing with them, I just didn’t feel any emotions towards my playmates.

When I turned 7, I started school. 7 was the mandatory school age in Norway until reform 97. The younger girl who was a relative told me we could no longer play. I didn’t know why and I didn’t care, I just accepted it with an okay. (Only much later did it dawn on me that she might have been jealous that I started school, which was unbelievable to me as I didin’t want to start school at all.)
I took absolutely no interest in the other kids at school. I only played with other kids when they played games I liked, otherwise I preferred to go on my own and think and dream and look at cars. There were a few I disliked, but most of them I just felt indifferent about.

As I got older, I found school increasingly worse as it ate up more and more of my precious time. School was mostly boring and uninteresting, and in junior high some of the lessons were so boring I actually preferred to talk to classmates. I only played with them when I was younger and talked to them as I got older because I was forced to be in school in the first place. I forgot about them the moment I was no longer interacting with them. If given a choice altogether I would have been home playing (when a kid), reading, thinking and dreaming of my interests, and spending time with family and pets, and that was what I did in my sparetime.

To NTs apparently that is bad and means the kid is lonely and miserable. They’re wrong. I was never lonely, and I only felt miserable when forced to do things I didn’t like/that bored me. Luckily I was free to do much of what I wanted, so my childhood was happy. Had I had parents who forced me to socialize, I would have been miserable.
And no, I don’t have alexithymia, I know my feelings and I know what lonely is. I’ve felt lonely twice in my life: once when I was 12 (my father and I were on holiday in his hometown, I had little do being away from my things and I didn’t see much of him or my grandmother) and once when I was in my 20’s (my mother went away for a few weeks) and I only got to talk to her a few times on the phone. My loneliness only extends to missing people I care about, not the general ‘lack’ of people to be with.
Somewhat similarly, I never feel like getting friends or a boyfriend, but rarely an individual is someone I take an interest in and want to get to know, but those are exceptions and only about that specific individual. It never extends to others or leave me wanting more.

I have never bonded with people other than my immediate family IRL. I think it might be an ASD thing as I have seen others here say the same thing, for some that includes their family. I have always loved my family so I don’t relate to that specific part.
I wish people would understand that some of us are very different from the norm and stop treating it as a problem. It’s not a problem that someone who doesn’t desire a lot of people in their life don’t have it. On a very personal note, I am very fed up with people thinking they know me better than I do when we are so different we could almost be separate species. Having to defend being myself gets tiring. This is not about OP or other people here on WP, it’s about people in the past who thought everyone was the same and needed the same and made themselves a PITA to me.


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12 Mar 2016, 2:06 pm

It certainly is.
For me when I was younger I didn't like other children and thought that they were all stupid because they didn't like the same things I did and they were interested in in important stuff. Then again, lots of people are like that.
I'm fussy with people. I don't for bonds with everyone and it has to be on my terms.



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12 Mar 2016, 5:39 pm

Ettina wrote:
This isn't an ASD thing, but is very common among people who've experienced trauma or abandonment regardless of neurotype.

However, sadly, ASD people are more likely to experience certain kinds of trauma.


Thank you. This is what I was wondering. I have experienced both... It's been difficult for me to piece out what is more due to my AS and what is more due to the trauma.

Though I can't at this time in my life, I'm considering getting a dog in a few years to help regain the ability to love and bond. I have heard this has been helpful to some people, and since I love animals and dogs anyway, I think it would help me. Also, it would serve as a bit of a test also; if I can't even love a creature who loves and adores me every day unconditionally, then it's quite clear I could never love a human.



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12 Mar 2016, 10:02 pm

BioLife wrote:

Thank you. This is what I was wondering. I have experienced both... It's been difficult for me to piece out what is more due to my AS and what is more due to the trauma.


Same here. I think my biggest issues are due to PTSD, but seem amplified with my AS. I rarely connect with people, and when I do I am overly intense about it. Sometimes I think my AS contributed to less resiliency in handling issues in my childhood, but I was very young so it's hard to tell.



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13 Mar 2016, 2:31 am

MjrMajorMajor wrote:
BioLife wrote:

Thank you. This is what I was wondering. I have experienced both... It's been difficult for me to piece out what is more due to my AS and what is more due to the trauma.


Same here. I think my biggest issues are due to PTSD, but seem amplified with my AS. I rarely connect with people, and when I do I am overly intense about it. Sometimes I think my AS contributed to less resiliency in handling issues in my childhood, but I was very young so it's hard to tell.


For me, I feel like my AS has ultimately been an asset for me in my life. It has definitely caused me challenges, but it has also helped me excel. The trauma is nothing but negative though. I was likely more susceptible to trauma from my AS and experienced the trauma more deeply because of my AS... For me, I feel like the trauma exacerbates all the negative AS traits I have, and research supports the idea that stress makes AS traits worse or that people with AS exhibit their AS traits more when experiencing stress. Well, what do you think happens when you have a stress disorder then? haha. :(

Also, both the trauma and AS frequently cause some of the same symptoms, so if you have both, it's like a double whammy. Feel completely different from everyone else? Need alone time? Difficulty bonding and connecting with people? All compounded if you have both.



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14 Mar 2016, 7:04 am

Because of my autism, the bonds I feel towards others are tenuous and easily broken.



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15 Mar 2016, 7:51 am

I only have bonds with my children and my sisters.

When I have had " Friends " I always ended up disappointed even by small things in other peoples opinions,
and would happily end the friendship without really looking back.

Even as a teenager, I moved several times and never thought to try keep up with anyone.

Out of sight, out of mind .