What is this? Is it anything to do with AS?

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10 Aug 2006, 10:43 am

I get two slightly different but strange 'alterings of perception' at times. The first one I remember getting when I was very small, then it seemed to go away, then came back sometime in my twenties. It lasts from a few seconds to a few minutes. Sometimes real objects seem to be both very close up and very far away at the same time, and/or simultaneously very large and very small. There's no actual visual distortion of surroundings; rather a *sensation* of there being one. Sometimes there's the impression – as opposed to actual visual hallucination – of there being another object right in front of my nose, which again appears to be both simultaneously very large and very small. Although I am unable to ‘see’ it clearly, I get the feeling of something like a grey sphere. At the same time I get a slight dizziness and nausea, and a feeling of numbness in my hands. On a discussion board I visit, there was actually a thread about this once, and other (NT) people described exactly the same kind of thing. For lack of a better name, we dubbed it 'The Big/Small Thing'. :)

The other is what I can only describe as spacing out; suddenly having the feeling, in a familiar location, that I am somewhere else or don’t recognize my surroundings – more accurately, that I am in two places at once and the ‘layer’ of the second place is making the real one seem strange. The feeling's sometimes so clear of being somewhere else that I could describe to you where it is that I feel like I am. Again, it might last from between ten seconds to a few minutes, before I feel my perception slowly slide back and things look normal again, although the memory of it lingers for a while. I can operate and think almost perfectly normally while this is happening, to the degree that I can find it quite fascinating at times; I can only describe it as a layer of other-consciousness over the real world.

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm very puzzled. I mentioned this to a psychologist I saw, and she said it sounded like 'dissasociation'.



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10 Aug 2006, 11:02 am

Yeah I think I experience the latter. I work from 9-5 where my colleagues work from 08.30-4.30 so what happens is I get left in the office on my own at the end of the day. During this time it has calmed down and becomes very quiet and I start to relax and ease off the work and I hop onto the Net and start to space out. It is like i'm easing off my social front and slipping into an introverted state in which all I feel is within my thoughts, the monitor and the sounds of doors next door paranoid of when the cleaners are coming in and I can hear the hand dryer through the wall of next door and then I track the noise of doors from the corridor back down to finally someone entering the office and I jump out of my skin! at this point I have to shake myself up in trying to interact successfully with them, on occasions I just stare at them and nod gormlessly as i'm pretty caught in my own world at that stage.

is this similar?



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10 Aug 2006, 11:07 am

Hey there, I may be way off.... but have you ever thought of having an EEG done?? I'm not sure, but seizures can come in all different shapes and forms. My little sister has epilepsy and sometimes her seizures are visual, with things in front of her eyes etc. She can also have seizures that make her feel strange and spaced out. She doesn't necessary lose conciousness either. Also, some people that get migranes describe a numbness in the hands etc. I dont know, but the brain can do some pretty strange things, sometimes!


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10 Aug 2006, 12:18 pm

Hovis wrote:
I get two slightly different but strange 'alterings of perception' at times. The first one I remember getting when I was very small, then it seemed to go away, then came back sometime in my twenties. It lasts from a few seconds to a few minutes. Sometimes real objects seem to be both very close up and very far away at the same time, and/or simultaneously very large and very small. There's no actual visual distortion of surroundings; rather a *sensation* of there being one. Sometimes there's the impression – as opposed to actual visual hallucination – of there being another object right in front of my nose, which again appears to be both simultaneously very large and very small. Although I am unable to ‘see’ it clearly, I get the feeling of something like a grey sphere. At the same time I get a slight dizziness and nausea, and a feeling of numbness in my hands. On a discussion board I visit, there was actually a thread about this once, and other (NT) people described exactly the same kind of thing. For lack of a better name, we dubbed it 'The Big/Small Thing'. :)

The other is what I can only describe as spacing out; suddenly having the feeling, in a familiar location, that I am somewhere else or don’t recognize my surroundings – more accurately, that I am in two places at once and the ‘layer’ of the second place is making the real one seem strange. The feeling's sometimes so clear of being somewhere else that I could describe to you where it is that I feel like I am. Again, it might last from between ten seconds to a few minutes, before I feel my perception slowly slide back and things look normal again, although the memory of it lingers for a while. I can operate and think almost perfectly normally while this is happening, to the degree that I can find it quite fascinating at times; I can only describe it as a layer of other-consciousness over the real world.

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm very puzzled. I mentioned this to a psychologist I saw, and she said it sounded like 'dissasociation'.


My mother has described the very same experiences for years. She tells me that when she is tired she gets the sense of a gray ball that is right in front of her face and seems to get bigger and bigger until it finally disappears. She has also described moments from her childhood when she felt very spaced out and odd at times, but without any associated anxiety. She says that there are times when she will be talking to someone and that person suddenly seems very far away. When she first told me about these experiences I was a little freaked out. I suspected that this was some sort of schizoid symptom, although my mother is really very down to earth and painfully sane.

Mom tells me that she has talked to lots of people about this over the years and that lots of people have told her they get the same thing and that this experience is very common.

As for the "cross over" world, I think I've experienced some of that and it used to puzzle me very much. It is as if I can enter a meditative state where everyday objects or concepts take on a level of meaning or existence that seems otherworldly. It's really hard to describe, but I think of it as my "zen" mode.



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10 Aug 2006, 12:19 pm

You must be going through Depression of some kind, either that or you PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)



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10 Aug 2006, 12:30 pm

Hovis wrote:
Does anyone have any ideas?


It fits within recognised (but is not the most common of) migraine symptoms, which do not have to include headache, sickness or the classical curved visual field defects.

Vision "looking wrong" while still being functional, and something bordering on an out-of body experience.
One version of this I've tried to describe as operating myself like a remote control toy. I can, for example, make my arm move, but it's not as automatically "my arm" as it normally is.

In my case these sensations are usually followed by more normal migraine symptoms, including pins and needles in the face and hands, and partial loss of vision.


It is very unlikely to be anything more ominous, but if the effects increase in severity or frequency other neurological possibilities should be checked out.



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10 Aug 2006, 1:21 pm

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My mother has described the very same experiences for years. She tells me that when she is tired she gets the sense of a gray ball that is right in front of her face and seems to get bigger and bigger until it finally disappears. She has also described moments from her childhood when she felt very spaced out and odd at times, but without any associated anxiety. She says that there are times when she will be talking to someone and that person suddenly seems very far away. When she first told me about these experiences I was a little freaked out. I suspected that this was some sort of schizoid symptom, although my mother is really very down to earth and painfully sane.
Mom tells me that she has talked to lots of people about this over the years and that lots of people have told her they get the same thing and that this experience is very common.


That's quite amazing, that your mom 'sees' exactly the same kind of thing!

It's interesting that it happens when she's tired, because I've wondered if this is somehow caused by a certain brainwave pattern. While the 'two places at once' odd feeling can happen any time, anywhere, I only ever get the 'big/small' one when a) I'm in bed getting ready to go to sleep, or b) when I'm on the computer. And someone on the discussion board that I mentioned said that they got it while watching television.



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10 Aug 2006, 1:32 pm

Autumn_Shade wrote:
Hey there, I may be way off.... but have you ever thought of having an EEG done?? I'm not sure, but seizures can come in all different shapes and forms. My little sister has epilepsy and sometimes her seizures are visual, with things in front of her eyes etc. She can also have seizures that make her feel strange and spaced out. She doesn't necessary lose conciousness either. Also, some people that get migranes describe a numbness in the hands etc. I dont know, but the brain can do some pretty strange things, sometimes!


Is it possible that someone could continue to operate almost perfectly normally through a seizure? Walk around, do things, even speak to people, just through this strange 'spaced out' feeling? Be aware they're having the seizure and be able to examine the feelings and find them quite interesting?

It's certainly all complicated!



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10 Aug 2006, 2:07 pm

Hovis wrote:
Is it possible that someone could continue to operate almost perfectly normally through a seizure? Walk around, do things, even speak to people, just through this strange 'spaced out' feeling? Be aware they're having the seizure and be able to examine the feelings and find them quite interesting?

It's certainly all complicated!


Well yeah, I don't think you can be aware of it, I don't know. Some people can be climbing up and down furniture during a seizure, but are probably not aware of what they are doing.
The spaced out feeling my sister gets is probably more after the seizure has happened, or maybe beforehand as in an aura. Sometimes the actual seizure will just be a pause in what she is doing, so she may only be aware of having had one because of the spaced out feeling.
There are so many different types of seizures and seizure activity, its amazing really!


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10 Aug 2006, 9:01 pm

I get something a little like that and used to have seizures and still do have migraines.
I have read that there may be a connection between migraines and seizures.
You could get checked out for both.



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10 Aug 2006, 9:09 pm

sometimes when i go to sleep and close my eyes, i get a "white out sensation" like eveything on the inside of my eyelids and brain turns white. but you can see it because it moves closer to you and pulls away from you. it use to scare me but now i think its cool and sometimes i laugh when it happens because i swear it tickles it really does. haha



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11 Aug 2006, 7:39 am

Yes, I think it does have to do with AS.

Sometimes, we perceive things differently. There is a big difference between the way things look, and the way they feel.

Let's take a peach for example. A peach is very soft and delicious, but when you bite into some fuzz, you just want to spit it out, I know how you feel. The way things look and the way they feel is a far cry, I know that for sure.

Also, I understand how you feel about being "in space." If I am in a totally familiar place in which I know very well, I start daydreaming and suddenly someone expects me to talk, I feel like I am not there. I feel like I am wherever I am in my daydream.

I am capable of doing a lot, so if someone wants me to put the pedal to the medal and do a skill-variant task, I'm not sure if I can do something like that.

This is called "spacing out," or, someone else I know calls it "zoning." This is an AS trait, and I think it's about certain things we are passionate about.

It's all about our intellect.


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11 Aug 2006, 8:57 am

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at this point I have to shake myself up in trying to interact successfully with them, on occasions I just stare at them and nod gormlessly as i'm pretty caught in my own world at that stage.

is this similar?


A little, yes. You know how a familiar smell/piece of music/etc. can suddenly bring on an incredibly vivid memory of the time or place you associate with it, so strong that you feel for a moment that you're back there again? It's something like that, except that nothing apparently seems to have provoked it, and it's not a familiar place.



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11 Aug 2006, 8:59 am

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You must be going through Depression of some kind, either that or you PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)


I've been on meds for depression for about seven years. Could it be connected?



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11 Aug 2006, 9:06 am

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It fits within recognised (but is not the most common of) migraine symptoms, which do not have to include headache, sickness or the classical curved visual field defects.

Vision "looking wrong" while still being functional, and something bordering on an out-of body experience.


Thankyou, that's interesting. I assumed that migraines always mean headache/sickness, which I've never had any problems with. Could it come and go so quickly, though, in under a couple of minutes?



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11 Aug 2006, 12:29 pm

Hovis wrote:
I assumed that migraines always mean headache/sickness, which I've never had any problems with. Could it come and go so quickly, though, in under a couple of minutes?


There are about nine symptoms to a full blown migraine and few people have the full set, so it's quite possible to miss out the most obvious.

Most migraines last longer (up to days), but quite transient ones are possible.

Other much less likely but possible suspects would include temporal lobe epilepsy, and transient variations in blood pressure.