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I was wondering for those of you with special interests
1. Do you pursue them by accumulating info on a topic; collecting items related to topic; talking to people re: topic; reading the same books/watching the same movies again and again but not collecting more info about book movie; thinking or fantasizing constantly about topic or what combination of these methods? Do they involve routines of going to a particular website, watching a particular show etc?
2. How intense is your interest? Is it to the exclusion of all other things? Do you find it difficult to have conversations about other things?
3, Are your special interests personal or impersonal?
I'm not sure if I have special interests or not. I perseverate on topics and have since I was a child but my interests are not quite like the interests described in books on AS, namely that interests are usually: impersonal and involve either collecting info or collecting items related to the topic. My interests were often things that I would think about or replay the same fantasy about over and over again. The fantasies and thoughts would be based on some accumulated info on the topic but I wouldn't need to research and accumulate new data necessarily. IU would ask people questions about the topic incessantly as well. Also some of my most obsessive and longest lasting interests have been very personal (i.e. an interest in a culture where I would imagine myself as a member of that culture). They usually involve a routine of going on a particular website related to the topic or watching a show related to the topic. Mine have been very intense where I think about them non-stop and find it hard to talk about other things. As a very young child I would spend most of my time in these fantasies and would not be interested in toys or t.v or anything but whatever the interest was but as I got older and now I am able to/want to do other things (school work, watch cartoons...as an adult ....Are these special interests?
Anyways I'm curious about the special interests of others with ASD's and how similar or different from mine they are.
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My special interests are the Scottish rock band Travis, Italian classiucal pianist Ludovico Einaudi and, to a lesser extant, political science, I used to be much more into politics but I've recently begun to phase out of it, so I'm excluding poli from my answers.
1. Do you pursue them by accumulating info on a topic; collecting items related to topic; talking to people re: topic; reading the same books/watching the same movies again and again but not collecting more info about book movie; thinking or fantasizing constantly about topic or what combination of these methods? Do they involve routines of going to a particular website, watching a particular show etc?
No, my special interest is an activitely, not a subject (listening to music)
2. How intense is your interest? Is it to the exclusion of all other things? Do you find it difficult to have conversations about other things?
it's passionate, but it's not something you can have conversations about, you do it, you don't talk about it, however if you were to meet me you would probably find I'm listening to one of those two artists and I'll probably ask you if you know them or if you like it or what your favorite song is or if you want me to make you a CD compilation
3, Are your special interests personal or impersonal?
It's intensely personal, it's not rote or routine, I've occasionally been euphoric listening.
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This is a very interesting topic.
I've had many, many absorbing interests in my life. Some last for a few weeks, others for years. Usually you can tell what I am interested in by the sheer quantity of books I have on it as well as bookmarks dedicated to it.
I don't collect things, but the number of books on the topic can constitute a collection. I'll often find myself returning to a section of my bookshelves I had ignored for a while, then re-ignite the interest (and in so doing expand the collection of books on that topic).
My interests usually evolve out of each other. A brief flirtation with graph theory will turn into a major binge on Paul Erdos which will turn into a binge on Martin Gardener's articles which will turn into a deep infatuation with Douglas Hofstadter's books which will turn into many sleepless nights programming Lisp, etc. Then I may go back to graph theory for a bit and then find myself following another path which ends up with me watching every episode of House alongside with the medical blog discussing its errors, and trying to formulate differential diagnosis in an complexity-theoretical manner.
I very rarely express my interests by actually talking to people. However, if I do encounter an expert in the topic I delight in talking about it.
I accumulate information on the topic. If the topic is in any way algorithmic, it usually flavors my entire way of looking at the world. For instance, while studying Haskell, or algorithmic information theory, I am utterly unable to not find analogies to these subjects in almost everything I do or see.
This reminds me of Nabokov's book about the chessmaster who had a nervous breakdown and was unable to see the world outside of a chess metaphor. "That tree could make a knight's move and take that cloud."
While in the grip of my interest, it pervasively affects how I see the world.
I have had interests which have utterly derailed my ability to function. In my sophomore year at university, for instance, I was taking out 20 books a week on my special interests at the time (Victor Hugo, classical liberalism, physics, and the Holocaust), and my grades suffered from spending so much time on my interests to the exclusion of all else.
I have also had interests which didn't appreciably affect my functioning.
I notice that it is difficult to avoid somehow turning a conversation into one about my special interests, no matter how intense the interest is. The difference between the most casual of my interests, and a topic I am not interested in, is enough to make it maddening to not point out the similarities between them so as to keep me interested.
I don't know what this means. For me, a special interest is something that fills my life with meaning, gives me intellectual excitement, and flavors how I view the world. It delights me to explore it, and I can get frustrated by those who don't find it interesting. At times it has involved people, but usually as a result of their ability to talk about interesting subjects (my fascination with Richard Feynman), or their manner of speech (Richard Feynman again, as well as Terry Pratchett and Tom Robbins).
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1. Do you pursue them by accumulating info on a topic; collecting items related to topic; talking to people re: topic; reading the same books/watching the same movies again and again but not collecting more info about book movie; thinking or fantasizing constantly about topic or what combination of these methods? Do they involve routines of going to a particular website, watching a particular show etc?
Well, I am first and foremost a storyteller (film and writing). This is a result of my constant need for some sort of available creative output and writing, especially, helps a lot with my interests because I can write about them. I do enjoy reading and watching lots of movies but it's hard to find good books and good movies that are exactly about my interests. My general interests are broad: fantasy, science fiction, steampunk/dieselpunk, historical fiction, etc. Any kind of "punk" really, or Disney. But my true interests are so specific that my own creations have become my strongest interests. In other words, I devote most of my time to writing. And when I write, all I am basically doing is viualizing the scenes in my head like a movie (with the coverage shots and everything) and I "adapt" that into writing.
2. How intense is your interest? Is it to the exclusion of all other things? Do you find it difficult to have conversations about other things?
No, not really. Of course I do other things than write, but not much. As for all of my interests, besides school, my life is only interests. Hehehe.
3. Are your special interests personal or impersonal?
They are very personal. As stated, my strongest iterests are my characters from my writings. They all somewhat represent me and my personality and my struggles and interests. When I write as my characters, I feel like I am going through their adventures with them. It takes me away from reality. I've always had that craving to get away from the real world, and writing is just one of the easier ways.
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My main special interst is politics/economics/history; minor interests - psychology; computers; animals (animals were my special interest as a child).
1. Do you pursue them by accumulating info on a topic; collecting items related to topic; talking to people re: topic; reading the same books/watching the same movies again and again but not collecting more info about book movie; thinking or fantasizing constantly about topic or what combination of these methods? Do they involve routines of going to a particular website, watching a particular show etc?
Accumluting info on a topic and thinking or fantasizing constantly .
If we are talking about my main interest, no. If we are talking about my main interest and about the minor interests, yes.[/quote]
What this mean?
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1. Do you pursue them by accumulating info on a topic; collecting items related to topic; talking to people re: topic; reading the same books/watching the same movies again and again but not collecting more info about book movie; thinking or fantasizing constantly about topic or what combination of these methods? Do they involve routines of going to a particular website, watching a particular show etc?
My interests are The 60s, The 80s, music and The Kinks. I collect items that relate to my special interests. I've read a lot of the same books again and I want to get some more books to read. I buy a lot of CDs that I listen to over again. I think about the different personality traits of each of the original members of The Kinks and how well they would fit into a comic book series. I talk to some people about my interests. My two closest friends and the people on WP, while training myself to talk about a variety of other things, as well. I have a routine of looking for unusual images of The Kinks on various search engines, under Images.
2. How intense is your interest? Is it to the exclusion of all other things? Do you find it difficult to have conversations about other things?
I wouldn't say that it's to the exclusion of other things, completely. I'm willing to separate myself from my interests for a day minus maybe a CD that I might bring along with me to a day trip. I'm able to talk about a variety of things as well. I also like talking about my special interests to the right people. I make small talk with other people, such as my parents. There are some days that it's easier to just listen to The Kinks, because a lot of their songs are cleaner than a lot of the other songs by the majority of the other groups that I might listen to. It could be a London thing as well. If my primary special interest was Northern England, I'd probably lean more towards The Beatles.
3, Are your special interests personal or impersonal?
My special interests are impersonal, because they are well known by the rest of the people in my community, and I don't even have to say a word.
People know by the way that I dress, my hair and the colours of my clothes, that I like The Kinks and the 60s, and who my favourite Kink is. They also accept it, because they know that I'm over 30 years old.
I'm not sure if I have special interests or not. I perseverate on topics and have since I was a child but my interests are not quite like the interests described in books on AS, namely that interests are usually: impersonal and involve either collecting info or collecting items related to the topic. My interests were often things that I would think about or replay the same fantasy about over and over again. The fantasies and thoughts would be based on some accumulated info on the topic but I wouldn't need to research and accumulate new data necessarily. IU would ask people questions about the topic incessantly as well. Also some of my most obsessive and longest lasting interests have been very personal (i.e. an interest in a culture where I would imagine myself as a member of that culture). They usually involve a routine of going on a particular website related to the topic or watching a show related to the topic. Mine have been very intense where I think about them non-stop and find it hard to talk about other things. As a very young child I would spend most of my time in these fantasies and would not be interested in toys or t.v or anything but whatever the interest was but as I got older and now I am able to/want to do other things (school work, watch cartoons...as an adult
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Anyways I'm curious about the special interests of others with ASD's and how similar or different from mine they are.
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1. Do you pursue them by accumulating info on a topic; collecting items related to topic; talking to people re: topic; reading the same books/watching the same movies again and again but not collecting more info about book movie; thinking or fantasizing constantly about topic or what combination of these methods? Do they involve routines of going to a particular website, watching a particular show etc?
I guess I do some combination of accumulating info via books and internet, as well as fantasizing. I very rarely talk to people about them though, and I don't read the same material over and over. Not that I won't re-read or re-watch, etc., but there's not any kind of routine to it.
2. How intense is your interest? Is it to the exclusion of all other things? Do you find it difficult to have conversations about other things?
I put it aside for work, but often I find myself anxious for the work day to end so that I can get back to it. I've also not been sleeping as much as I should because I stay up late pursuing it and then jump out of bed as soon as I wake up to get back to it. As I said above, I don't really talk to other people about it though. I actually have a very difficult time sharing my interests.
3, Are your special interests personal or impersonal?
I actually have both. I do collect things, and while I'd have a very hard time letting those collections go, I don't spend much time perusing them. Mostly, I just collect them and set them aside. But I also do what you describe and have an entire fantasy world built around certain interests. Those I would consider quite personal.
1. Do you pursue them by accumulating info on a topic; collecting items related to topic; talking to people re: topic; reading the same books/watching the same movies again and again but not collecting more info about book movie; thinking or fantasizing constantly about topic or what combination of these methods? Do they involve routines of going to a particular website, watching a particular show etc?
I do a little of each, but by far the biggest way I pursue my interests is by thinking and fantasizing about them. My interests have always involved TV shows or movies, so I take my favorite characters and daydream about them having new adventures and relationships than what they had in the originals. It's basically fanfiction, except my ideas never actually get put down on paper.
2. How intense is your interest? Is it to the exclusion of all other things? Do you find it difficult to have conversations about other things?
It depends. A few years ago, my interests in Hellsing and Trinity Blood were so intense that I didn't allow myself to watch any other anime shows or read any other manga because it felt like I was "cheating" on them. I also didn't talk much about anything else.
Since then I've learned to relax about things like that. Nowadays I'm able to watch and talk about things besides my interests, for example I sometimes watch shows that my parents like to watch and discuss it with them on commercial breaks and after the show is over. But talking about my own interests is still my favorite thing to do.
3, Are your special interests personal or impersonal?
My interests are very personal to me. The characters from whatever shows/movies I'm obsessed with who come to reside in my imaginary world are more than just characters to me; they are my imaginary friends and I love them as though they were real people. As such, I tend to become extremely attached to them.
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1. Most of my special interests throughout the years have been mostly composed of accumulating information about a topic. The only big exception is with I Love Lucy, my biggest special interest. With Lucy, I collect both information and objects. My Lucy collection is almost as big as my encyclopedic knowledge for the show. A lot of my special interests are TV shows or movies, so for those SIs, yes, I watch the same episodes/movie over and over again for a routine. I love reciting quotes/dialogue from memory. It calms me and gets me excited. And all of my special interests from age 11 1/2 onwards have been the type where I monologue about the interest to people I'm close with whenever I can.
2. When I was 11 1/2 to 13, I was at my "most Aspie" when it came to my SIs. This was the time when I would literally go up to anybody and start rambling about Cedar Point and their roller coaster statistics. Around age 13 1/2, I learned to ramble only to people I'm closest with, unless somebody brings up the interest in conversation, in which case I will ramble anyway. So, no, I don't find it difficult now to have conversations about other things, because I feel I'm a pretty well-rounded individual and easy to talk to. But I WILL talk about my special interests with acquaintances and people I'm not close to if I'm given a chance to bring it up in conversation somehow.
As far as my SIs being to the total exclusion of everything else, I guess it depends what situations you mean. When left to my own devices, I will spend time doing SI-related things by myself at all times, and I will also talk about my SIs whenever I'm able. But I never had a problem with my SIs getting in the way of being able to get important things done, like schoolwork.
3. I don't really know what you mean by "personal/impersonal." I mean, all of my SIs mean the world to me and are crucial for my well-being and identity, but I don't connect on an emotional level with many of them. Like, nothing about I Love Lucy makes me say, "Hey, this is just like my life!"
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1. I like information gathering, but I also like integrating the things I learn into the way I approach my existence. I don't really like to bother gathering information I probably won't use.
2. I can have a conversation about anything interesting, whether it is about my current specific SIs or not. Unfortunately, I don't find too many things interesting, and I cannot talk about things that don't interest me very well.
3. Don't know.
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Thank you for all the thorough and detailed replies so far!
IdahoRose, my interests are very much like yours. They are very personal and involve imaginary worlds and imaginary friends who I love like real people. Some of my interests have involved fiction and for a lot of those I did write fanfic in my head. My more scientific interests (they were all related to biology until the recent psychology interest) also sometimes involved imaginary worlds though..........when I was a child I had an imaginary world where I was an octopus and was surrounded by other cephalopods and sea creatures.........I was a very strange child
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"ZeroGravitas", in regards to:
Are your special interests personal or impersonal?I don't know what this means.
Well my interests are personal because they often involve me as a character in an imaginary world.......the ones that have been fiction related and some other ones. Right now I have an interest in ASD's and bio psychology related to ASD's. The bio psychology part is accumulating info and I delight in doing this but the ASD's part is related to me because I think about how the info I learn relates to me....that's a different kind of personal than the imaginary worlds but either way I consider it personal. AS special interests are described as impersonal ( collecting facts, info about topic) but mine are often highly personal.....or have a component that is anyways
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Ah. I wasn't sure which meaning you meant.
And I still don't quite understand. I immerse myself in my interests, mine involve me learning and playing with information. I don't recall ever having an interest with a high component of fantasizing myself within it.
The closest I can think of to this experience, is when I am strongly interested in an algorithmic system such as physics or information theory or programming, during which I will find myself thinking in terms of vectors and probabilities and bits and such.
But, I don't really think of it as an AS thing. Many people who delve deeply into a subject find themselves thinking in terms of their study. A programmer sees things in terms of programming, etc. Most science departments in universities are full of people who have begun thinking of things using the concepts of their fields: awkward mannerisms on telephones become race conditions, social awkwardness becomes impedance, cognitive biases become bugs in the human operating system, etc.
Their field of study has simply given them a different vocabulary of metaphors and analogies than that of the rest of the population.
This happens outside of the sciences as well. I've known several people who were able to instantly correlate any event with an analogous event from a work of fiction they enjoy.
I think this may be what you mean.
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And I still don't quite understand. I immerse myself in my interests, mine involve me learning and playing with information. I don't recall ever having an interest with a high component of fantasizing myself within it.
The closest I can think of to this experience, is when I am strongly interested in an algorithmic system such as physics or information theory or programming, during which I will find myself thinking in terms of vectors and probabilities and bits and such.
But, I don't really think of it as an AS thing. Many people who delve deeply into a subject find themselves thinking in terms of their study. A programmer sees things in terms of programming, etc. Most science departments in universities are full of people who have begun thinking of things using the concepts of their fields: awkward mannerisms on telephones become race conditions, social awkwardness becomes impedance, cognitive biases become bugs in the human operating system, etc.
Their field of study has simply given them a different vocabulary of metaphors and analogies than that of the rest of the population.
This happens outside of the sciences as well. I've known several people who were able to instantly correlate any event with an analogous event from a work of fiction they enjoy.
I think this may be what you mean.
Yes I suppose metaphors and analogies related to ones own experience would qualify as a personal component.The AS interests are sometimes described as lacking this component...........as being very rote, a very detached accumulation of facts or items.......................
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This is interesting, I just found this thread:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt53913.html
Most seem to have denied being "rote memorizers without necessarily having genuine understanding of the broader topic," and actually find it offensive to suggest such.
ETA: The DSM-IV-TR diagnostic criteria only states regarding interests:
Nothing about this abnormal intensity or focus being rote, ersatz learning, or lacking comprehension.
Now I'm very curious just where the idea comes from that people with AS do not experience a meaningful systemization of knowledge, and instead recite trivia without meaning.
How did Gillberg determine "more rote than meaning" to be important enough to include in his diagnostic criteria? What means did he use to establish the lack of comprehension? How was this determination of this criterion applied later?
It strikes me that the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic is far more objective than Gillberg's. One can easily determine the presence of an intense and focused interest. But how to as accurately determine the lack of real comprehension?
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How did Gillberg determine "more rote than meaning" to be important enough to include in his diagnostic criteria?
Probably he took this from Lorna Wing, who also had something about "rote memorization". But we have to remember that what Wing and Gillberg and others did was not study people with AS and, after that, coming to the conclusion that they have "more rote than meaning"; their road was more the opposite - after studying people who (between other things) appeared to have "more rote than meaning", they decided to crate a label to give to these people, and come up with the name "Asperger's Syndrome". I think also that many of the pre-DSM cases of AS were people with borderline mental retardation (or, at leat, who appeared that in IQ tests) but with very knowledge of a specific topic - it was natural, in these cases, that the researchers concluded that they were more "memorizers" than "understanders".
However, I have also a theory - if the original researchers did not have made this references to "rote memorization", their description of "Asperger's Syndrome" will have appeared so similar to the stereotype of the "gifted children" (or the "excentric genius" for adults) that much probably the concept of AS will never had gained traction.
It strikes me that the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic is far more objective than Gillberg's. One can easily determine the presence of an intense and focused interest. But how to as accurately determine the lack of real comprehension?
Well, I imagine that, with some time we can see if someone knows only a list of memorized facts or if he understands the relaction between then (teachers try to do that when evaluating their students) - take someone with an interest in the Great Depression: what he knows more about that? the dates of the bankrupties, the statistics of the GDP, unemployment and of the Dow Jones? Or the theories about the causes and the mechanism of the Depression?
However, you are right in the sense that probably a psychologist or a psychiatrist could not do that (unless a) he is a polymath genius; or b) the special interest of the client is about psychology), and I doubt that psychiatrists who adhere to the Gillberg's criteria will call a "technical expert" (an economist or an historian, in my example of the Depression) to se if the client has meaniful knowledge or only memorization.
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