Reshaping my concept of Asperger's.
Since a major breakdown six months ago, I have been on a very intense journey of healing that involved many different forms of therapies as I wanted to be able to conquer stress better. These included mindfulness meditation, a self-esteem group and psychotherapy: all of which have worked wonders.
My psychologist has been very helpful in discovering my inner struggles. She says I have extremely low self-esteem and a very fragmented identity because a year ago I was very doubtful that I still had AS, even though I was diagnosed as a kid. What happened was that I was aware of my diagnosis at 14, and became determined to change it for years. Little by little, I developed my social skills and slowly became hyperaware of how I came across to the point where I could fit in comfortably with most people.
The trouble was...and I did not realize this until my mediation therapy...that I struggled A LOT inside with hiding who I was.
I discovered that have obsessions and compulsions, some of them very intense. I thrive on routine, go into non-functional mode if I don't have one, and sut down altogether if an expected event changes. I get intensely interested in the most random and inappropriate of things, like food manufacturing plants, group home locations, compulsive lists of people and the Emergency Alert System. If I could, I would talk about these things all day, but I never do. I still struggle socially, believe it or not. I don't struggle with the details of presenting myself, but instead, I struggle with interpreting broader social situations, such as the ones discussed on this website: http://www.succeedsocially.com
In short, my true self, which is unrestrained by social norms, is a person who is on the spectrum, but because I go on 'social autopilot' when I'm with people and automatically fake things I simply *come across* as the opposite. And there is a HUGE difference between appearance and reality. If you're wired in one way and trained in another, your default mode may become the training, depending on how much you do it. And I have been training, non stop, for almost 10 years.
Throughout the years I have been involved in the ASD field, I have met a ton of people on the spectrum...but they present themselves in extremely different ways. Keep in mind that I say different and do not refer to their functioning or infer their personal capabilities. Sure, as a whole they may encompass similar areas of difficulty, but they way these difficulties manifest in *each person* is what is completely different. For example, I know some people who struggle with their body language, and some who don't.
But AS as a whole is only a puzzle piece or an epidemic if people MAKE it seem like it is. One can have *traits* of their AS they can idenify as personal struggles and conquer individually, like I did. But AS in itself is just a difference. Although I do not support Autism Speaks, I feel that a part of me believed their rhetoric, as well as other outdated ideas about disablity (think the 'everyone with autism is rain man' idea). I also become susceptible to believing autism is somehow bad trouh hearing opinions of people with AS who think it is shameful.
It is not a liability, it is not a death sentence, and it is not something to hide from or be ashamed about.
Individual traits CAN, however, be shaped in order for you to feel more comfortable around others and in the world. The key is *individual* self-awareness and patience with your *own* oddities and quirks. People have asked me 'What's the secret to normalcy'. First of all, I am not "normal" but I don't see abnormality as a deficit like I used to.
Second, you only become functional when you become adjusted in ways that make you and the people who support you feel secure about yourself. There are some people I know who desire connections with people, but the only way they can get them is by taking a step beyond the world they know. At the same time, I feel that in order to develop meaningful connections with NTs (which people on the spectrum view as "normal") I had to sacrifice a bit of myself by learning to approach things from their perspective as well. Still, all of my NT friendships are now only with people who are mature, open to experience, and eager to learn about differences...and all of my close ones know that I am on the spectrum.
I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this situation and perhaps share their own concepts. hopefully this will be an interesting, insightful discussion.
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Given a “tentative” diagnosis as a child as I needed services at school for what was later correctly discovered to be a major anxiety disorder.
This misdiagnosis caused me significant stress, which lessened upon finding out the truth about myself from my current and past long-term therapists - that I am an anxious and highly sensitive person but do not have an autism spectrum disorder.
My diagnoses - social anxiety disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
I’m no longer involved with the ASD world.
I really related to what you wrote here. Although my parents never had me tested as a child, I've suspected that I had Asperger's pretty much since I knew what it was. I went to see a psychologist about it recently who basically told me I have a lot of the traits but that he didn't want to label me, essentially, because I live a more or less functional life. Which, I suppose, made a certain amount of sense.
With that said, however, I still believe that I have it. The difference is that I've always known, since I was young, that I was socially different. I knew that there were things that I struggled with and, being the relavely self aware and proactive person that I was, I struggled to compensate for the dificencies that I percieved in myself. Through a great deal of effort I have learned to function relatively normally in social situations when necessary. I have learned to deal with some of my anxiety related issues and have learned to get and maintain steady work.
However, even though I have learned certain techniques in order to function better in society as a whole, there are still things that I struggle with and I am aware of the fact that although I am usually able to blend in when necessary, in many ways that blending in is just an act. Maybe its not possible to change an underlying mode of thinking, but it is certainly possible to change the way one deals with that mode of thinking. I think that it is possible to learn certain practical skills and coping techniques in order to function adequately in the world at large.
I discovered that have obsessions and compulsions, some of them very intense. I thrive on routine, go into non-functional mode if I don't have one, and sut down altogether if an expected event changes. I get intensely interested in the most random and inappropriate of things, like food manufacturing plants, group home locations, compulsive lists of people and the Emergency Alert System.
What's inappropriate about that? I think manufacturing plants and emergency alert systems are quite interesting. In fact I think systems in general are quite interesting.
In short, my true self, which is unrestrained by social norms, is a person who is on the spectrum, but because I go on 'social autopilot' when I'm with people and automatically fake things I simply *come across* as the opposite. And there is a HUGE difference between appearance and reality. If you're wired in one way and trained in another, your default mode may become the training, depending on how much you do it. And I have been training, non stop, for almost 10 years.
Throughout the years I have been involved in the ASD field, I have met a ton of people on the spectrum...but they present themselves in extremely different ways. Keep in mind that I say different and do not refer to their functioning or infer their personal capabilities. Sure, as a whole they may encompass similar areas of difficulty, but they way these difficulties manifest in *each person* is what is completely different. For example, I know some people who struggle with their body language, and some who don't.
But AS as a whole is only a puzzle piece or an epidemic if people MAKE it seem like it is. One can have *traits* of their AS they can idenify as personal struggles and conquer individually, like I did. But AS in itself is just a difference. Although I do not support Autism Speaks, I feel that a part of me believed their rhetoric, as well as other outdated ideas about disablity (think the 'everyone with autism is rain man' idea). I also become susceptible to believing autism is somehow bad trouh hearing opinions of people with AS who think it is shameful.
It is not a liability, it is not a death sentence, and it is not something to hide from or be ashamed about.
Individual traits CAN, however, be shaped in order for you to feel more comfortable around others and in the world. The key is *individual* self-awareness and patience with your *own* oddities and quirks. People have asked me 'What's the secret to normalcy'. First of all, I am not "normal" but I don't see abnormality as a deficit like I used to.
Second, you only become functional when you become adjusted in ways that make you and the people who support you feel secure about yourself. There are some people I know who desire connections with people, but the only way they can get them is by taking a step beyond the world they know. At the same time, I feel that in order to develop meaningful connections with NTs (which people on the spectrum view as "normal") I had to sacrifice a bit of myself by learning to approach things from their perspective as well. Still, all of my NT friendships are now only with people who are mature, open to experience, and eager to learn about differences...and all of my close ones know that I am on the spectrum.
I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this situation and perhaps share their own concepts. hopefully this will be an interesting, insightful discussion.
I think you've made some changes for the better in your life. Unfortunately, the diagnostic criteria for AS only mentions things that could be perceived as potential weak points, instead of positive traits that tend to be common in people with AS, such as honesty, altruism, dependability/reliability, and a propensity to learn voraciously.
I think it's unfortunate that many without AS might perceive someone with AS as more needy or less capable in general...I think that's a very arrogant view, and dangerous in that these sentiments can easily rub off of overprotective parents on children with AS, and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
I'm struggling with this right now - the hiding. The loss of myself in deference to trying to act 'normal'. I haven't been at it for ten years, I've been at it for twenty. I've reached a crisis point. I can't do it anymore. I need to get me back.
Could you go into more detail about how you came to terms with those two sides?
I can see how open minded accepting people around you may have been a big part of your process. I'm wondering if it can still be done without that kind of support.
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congratulations on your new insight.
I had to re-shape my concept of AS as well............as I really didn't like the idea of having AS and expended a lot of energy trying to get rid of my symptoms and learn to be more social. I also felt unnatural and exhausted doing this. So I related to a lot of what you posted although I think you were somewhat more successful than me in actually succeeding socially I'm glad you changed your outlook and see the positives of having AS and are able to view it as a difference and not a disability
Also I agree with Cronos that there isn't anything "inappropriate" about being interested in the things you listed!
Thank you everyone...I must say that my newfound insight has worked wonders for my self-esteem.
As for the interests I listed as 'inappropriate' I should have clarified things. I personally don't see anything inappropriate about me personally having them, but they could be considered inappropriate in the context of conversation with others.
This is why I simply don't talk about my interests and keep them to a time and place where only I can pursue them...or if they come up in conversation, I simply don't talk about them and keep it to myself. I'll tell my mom about some of them occasionally because she is the only person I can completely trust. This has only happened after years of people telling me my interests are weird. I'm by no means ashamed of them, I just realize that there are things that I can and cannot talk about with other people.
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Given a “tentative” diagnosis as a child as I needed services at school for what was later correctly discovered to be a major anxiety disorder.
This misdiagnosis caused me significant stress, which lessened upon finding out the truth about myself from my current and past long-term therapists - that I am an anxious and highly sensitive person but do not have an autism spectrum disorder.
My diagnoses - social anxiety disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
I’m no longer involved with the ASD world.
Could you go into more detail about how you came to terms with those two sides?
I can see how open minded accepting people around you may have been a big part of your process. I'm wondering if it can still be done without that kind of support.
Surrounding yourself with these people is only a piece of it though, and I`m sure it can still be done without them around. This accepting of these pieces of myself didn`t happen overnight, and I know the frustrating feeling of being torn between one or the other. The thing you should have in mind in your journey is to see yourself as not dichotomous: to not see yourself as normal or abnormal, good or bad, aspie or so called ``normal person`. Things are as they are, and labels are not indicators of your capablities.
With the `faking`, I kept the basic social skills I gained because they got me the connections and friendships that I had hoped to acquire. However, it was bits of my true personality that I let go. There would be no more self-censoring, no more questioning my actions, no thinking `oh, why would I say that or talk about that, it`s stupid`. I would let bits and pieces of myself go that were socially acceptable (as I have a really good sense of what is and isn`t) so I wouldn`t feel so restrained. I simply began presenting myself in a way that I *wanted* people to see me: someone unique and quirky: but at the same time able to navigate through most social siatuations with ease.
Personally, practicing mindfullness mediation has helped me gain a more balanced view of myself. Mindfulness is growing in popularity and there are an increasing number of courses for it everywhere. It changed the way I view myself and AS. It teaches me to not judge myself or others, and to be non-striving for things that I don`t have. I realized that yes, there are certian skills that we need to get along with others, but you don`t have to fully sacrifice yourself in order to attain them.
_________________
Given a “tentative” diagnosis as a child as I needed services at school for what was later correctly discovered to be a major anxiety disorder.
This misdiagnosis caused me significant stress, which lessened upon finding out the truth about myself from my current and past long-term therapists - that I am an anxious and highly sensitive person but do not have an autism spectrum disorder.
My diagnoses - social anxiety disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
I’m no longer involved with the ASD world.
I can relate to this. I always have a strict plan in my head on how I want something to turn out. If I don't end up having my way, I end up having a temper tantrum (or at the very least I get very annoyed and pace around the house).
I don't know if I go on autopilot myself, however sometimes I feel like I act like an emotionless robot that is just going through the motions. This is bad enough on it's own, but it really sucks when I am on dates with people. Lets just say I've had many first (and last) dates.
Second, you only become functional when you become adjusted in ways that make you and the people who support you feel secure about yourself. There are some people I know who desire connections with people, but the only way they can get them is by taking a step beyond the world they know. At the same time, I feel that in order to develop meaningful connections with NTs (which people on the spectrum view as "normal") I had to sacrifice a bit of myself by learning to approach things from their perspective as well. Still, all of my NT friendships are now only with people who are mature, open to experience, and eager to learn about differences...and all of my close ones know that I am on the spectrum.
I don't like to admit it, but I am still coming to terms with being diagnosed with AS three years ago. I was identified with a learning disability as a kid, so I wasn't NT per se, however I always thought that my social problems only stemmed from immense shyness. It was actually not until I joined a shyness support group that I discovered that my problems were far worse than I imagined.
I've always had a huge sense of pride and I try not to let the fact that I have AS to hold me down. However, this has planted the belief in me that I will be able to finding meaningful employment without the help of an agency. My parents encourage me to get help, but I continue to be stubborn in believing that I am able to find a job on my own (even though I've had little to no success). I kind of feel that I am forcing myself into depression as a result.
I'm actually seeing a psychiatrist next week for a consultation and hopefully some of my issues will be worked out.
You may very well be leading yourself into one. The key with working around AS is that you have to be as honest with yourself as possible in terms of what you will need to be successful...even if it means getting additional supports when you need them. This may seem like a stigmatizing or a bad thing initally, but there are benefits: you'll find that you'll need much less support once you get used to the workplace. Hopefully when you meet with your psychiatrist, they will be able to help you work through things...and perhaps help you become more adjusted to the realities of AS, since you've only been fairly recently diagnosed and thus seem to struggle with getting used to the realities it brings.
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Given a “tentative” diagnosis as a child as I needed services at school for what was later correctly discovered to be a major anxiety disorder.
This misdiagnosis caused me significant stress, which lessened upon finding out the truth about myself from my current and past long-term therapists - that I am an anxious and highly sensitive person but do not have an autism spectrum disorder.
My diagnoses - social anxiety disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
I’m no longer involved with the ASD world.
With the `faking`, I kept the basic social skills I gained because they got me the connections and friendships that I had hoped to acquire. However, it was bits of my true personality that I let go. There would be no more self-censoring, no more questioning my actions, no thinking `oh, why would I say that or talk about that, it`s stupid`. I would let bits and pieces of myself go that were socially acceptable (as I have a really good sense of what is and isn`t) so I wouldn`t feel so restrained. I simply began presenting myself in a way that I *wanted* people to see me: someone unique and quirky: but at the same time able to navigate through most social siatuations with ease.
Personally, practicing mindfullness mediation has helped me gain a more balanced view of myself. Mindfulness is growing in popularity and there are an increasing number of courses for it everywhere. It changed the way I view myself and AS. It teaches me to not judge myself or others, and to be non-striving for things that I don`t have. I realized that yes, there are certian skills that we need to get along with others, but you don`t have to fully sacrifice yourself in order to attain them.
As far as the social skills go, I suppose I am at the point you are - I know enough of what is and isn't acceptable, I can keep myself from being rude, I've developed my speech filter in that respect. I find the eye contact and small talk extremely draining. It is a concerted, focus effort on my part to get through something like a party. People have learned that I am sarcastic and have an irrevertant sense of humor and that I have an intelligence that I don't cram down peoples throats (I used to as a kid). I suppose my filure is in the follow through. I can meet people etc but any effort at the follow thru - the making of a friend always seem to fall short. I realize that i am missing those essential cues that display that interest. And the exhaustion factor doesn't really make me WANT to be social. I like being social, especially with close friends - unfortunately the last ones of those I had were a long time ago.
I've tried meditation before - self guided. I haven't been very successful. I'm one of htose people that can't be hypnotised and I wondered if that was some sort of sign or symptom of my meditation troubles as well. I suppose the judging of myself is probably my core issue. I have a great capacity for forgiving others but not myself. That balance still alludes me. I've always labelled myself as 'individual', 'unique', etc... but Asperger's is a recent addition. I've just kept at it without any real idea why I was failing socially time and time again. I know self confidence is a powerful thing. It attracts people to you faster than almost anything else.
So perhaps a more structured meditation class and keep working the self esteem. You positivity has been refreshing. Thanks!
With the `faking`, I kept the basic social skills I gained because they got me the connections and friendships that I had hoped to acquire. However, it was bits of my true personality that I let go. There would be no more self-censoring, no more questioning my actions, no thinking `oh, why would I say that or talk about that, it`s stupid`. I would let bits and pieces of myself go that were socially acceptable (as I have a really good sense of what is and isn`t) so I wouldn`t feel so restrained. I simply began presenting myself in a way that I *wanted* people to see me: someone unique and quirky: but at the same time able to navigate through most social siatuations with ease.
Personally, practicing mindfullness mediation has helped me gain a more balanced view of myself. Mindfulness is growing in popularity and there are an increasing number of courses for it everywhere. It changed the way I view myself and AS. It teaches me to not judge myself or others, and to be non-striving for things that I don`t have. I realized that yes, there are certian skills that we need to get along with others, but you don`t have to fully sacrifice yourself in order to attain them.
As far as the social skills go, I suppose I am at the point you are - I know enough of what is and isn't acceptable, I can keep myself from being rude, I've developed my speech filter in that respect. I find the eye contact and small talk extremely draining. It is a concerted, focus effort on my part to get through something like a party. People have learned that I am sarcastic and have an irrevertant sense of humor and that I have an intelligence that I don't cram down peoples throats (I used to as a kid). I suppose my filure is in the follow through. I can meet people etc but any effort at the follow thru - the making of a friend always seem to fall short. I realize that i am missing those essential cues that display that interest. And the exhaustion factor doesn't really make me WANT to be social. I like being social, especially with close friends - unfortunately the last ones of those I had were a long time ago.
I've tried meditation before - self guided. I haven't been very successful. I'm one of htose people that can't be hypnotised and I wondered if that was some sort of sign or symptom of my meditation troubles as well. I suppose the judging of myself is probably my core issue. I have a great capacity for forgiving others but not myself. That balance still alludes me. I've always labelled myself as 'individual', 'unique', etc... but Asperger's is a recent addition. I've just kept at it without any real idea why I was failing socially time and time again. I know self confidence is a powerful thing. It attracts people to you faster than almost anything else.
So perhaps a more structured meditation class and keep working the self esteem. You positivity has been refreshing. Thanks!
No problem! And both of those things will boost your self-esteem and give you a more stable sense of self in order to socialize with confidence. Best of luck on your journey.
_________________
Given a “tentative” diagnosis as a child as I needed services at school for what was later correctly discovered to be a major anxiety disorder.
This misdiagnosis caused me significant stress, which lessened upon finding out the truth about myself from my current and past long-term therapists - that I am an anxious and highly sensitive person but do not have an autism spectrum disorder.
My diagnoses - social anxiety disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
I’m no longer involved with the ASD world.
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