Asperger's Syndrome and Medication Overuse.

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17 May 2011, 5:16 pm

As I have posted about before, I have been addicted for Codeine for 4 years now, over the counter preparations with ibuprofen and paracetamol. I live in the UK, and Codeine can be sold over the counter here without a script in combination with other meds like paracetamol, asprin and ibuprofen.

I have someone coming to see me tomorrow from a drug addictions service funny enough, to get me on a replacement dose of codeine/other opiate substitute ASAP because of the risk to my health from the ibuprofen and paracetamol. I am dreading it of course, but that's because of my communication difficulties, not my addiction. They know I have AS and have taken that seriously, so hopefully they'll be aware what problems AS people experience. I'm just unsure about being able to explain myself so they understand, and me understand them, as that's my biggest area of difficulty really, verbal communication.

Anyway, with me aside, I just wondered if anyone else has problems with overusing medications, albeit over the counter or prescribed ones. Do you have problems with developing an obsession related to using the pills? I know I sure have a big obsession with taking Codeine, and the anti anxiety properties it has with me. I also have the obsession with the shiney pills, I see them as a cure for everything life has to throw at me. Right from the sound they make when I pop them out of the packets to the taste of them in my mouth, obsession obsession obsession.

It doesn't need to be an 'addictive' med like opiates, benzos or sleeping pills, just any medicine you find it hard to resist taking or abusing.


I'm like a smoker with the whole hand to mouth thing some smokers have a hard time getting used to not doing, but for me, it's the act of taking codeine, and the feeling ti gives me, it's all tangled up with my obsessive side.



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17 May 2011, 5:23 pm

Well this not quite the same thing.......but I have been trying to cut down on smoking ciggerettes without much success. Then again right now I'm a bit stressed because I have a new college semester starting and am moving cause my mom got a new place and I'll be staying there until I can afford to find an apartment or something. So now is probably not a good time to try and cut down or quit. But yeah I enjoy how it feels to be smoking a ciggerette not so much even the effect which is not all that impressive but moreso just the habit of lighting the ciggerette, and holding it to smoke it.



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17 May 2011, 5:39 pm

I take quite a lot of Ibuprofen but that's to cope with prostatitis, chronic fatigue symptoms and pain caused by stress such as back, neck and head aches.

None of this is strictly to do with AS but I do wonder if a lifetime of living with near constant background anxiety has taken it's toll on my body.

I've never tried Codeine products but years ago in the UK you used to be able to buy medicines for stomach pain which included opiates. I've forgotten the brand name now but I used to take that far more often than needed. Sadly not available any more.



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17 May 2011, 5:39 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Well this not quite the same thing.......but I have been trying to cut down on smoking ciggerettes without much success. Then again right now I'm a bit stressed because I have a new college semester starting and am moving cause my mom got a new place and I'll be staying there until I can afford to find an apartment or something. So now is probably not a good time to try and cut down or quit. But yeah I enjoy how it feels to be smoking a ciggerette not so much even the effect which is not all that impressive but moreso just the habit of lighting the ciggerette, and holding it to smoke it.


See I can really understand that. I would put my addiction somewhere in the scale of alcoholism and smoking. Smoking, in my opinion is not as bad as alcoholism, but they're still all addictions. This over the counter Codeine is legal, therefore it is easier to hide than either of those two and nobody apart from the odd fustrated pharmacist who knows you've been taking too much, has much to say against it.

It's the carbon monoxide of the addiction world, over the counter codeine is, it's odorless, undetectable without the right test, and it's effects are unnoticable to others, unlike alcohol for example, or heroin, and deadly, because us addicts are taking such high doses of the other crap, like ibuprofen, which damages the stomach and kidneys, paracetamol, which damages the liver, and asprin, which thins the blood.

Some people have seen 'cry for help' suicide attempt doses LOWER than what over the counter codeine addicts take in paracetamol and iburofen EVERY DAY!!



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17 May 2011, 5:50 pm

I would be woried about the harmful toxic affects of these drugs. Ideally a safe option that works is a good option.


Or better still life without drugs, though you may need some support.



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17 May 2011, 6:02 pm

Surfman wrote:
I would be woried about the harmful toxic affects of these drugs. Ideally a safe option that works is a good option.


Or better still life without drugs, though you may need some support.


I am worried, which is why I have got myself some help, it makes me so angry though that it's available over the counter. I know for sure when my addiction is under control, I'm going to stir some hornets nests up round town, because there must be hundreds, thousands addicted to this sh+t.

I know there is from reading online, it has killed people too sadly :( see here: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... en-plus.do

I am on about 36 per day, only a few down from her dose :?

It's not the Codeine that kills people, it's the other crap added to PREVENT abuse! Plain Codeine is addictive yes, but it is only dangerous in very high doses, the doses these addicts take are so dangerous because of the paracetamol and ibuprofen, not so much the codeine, but the other stuff.



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17 May 2011, 6:06 pm

Well... I drink. I must admit that. Alcohol. My shrink called it "self medication".



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17 May 2011, 6:11 pm

From my understanding a light to moderate pure opium addiction is one of the least harmful addictions. Frequently the old guys to hang out in opium dens live till 90

So much unhealthy s**t is added to cigarettes and alcohol too. For me 2 small healthy beers a day and some cannabis is effective. I had 2 stouts last night, so good for you! Really! Only a few quality beers get my approval of not just 'safe' but 'good for you'.

Transitioning to something else that is healthy may be a way to do it



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17 May 2011, 6:38 pm

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From my understanding a light to moderate pure opium addiction is one of the least harmful addictions. Frequently the old guys to hang out in opium dens live till 90

So much unhealthy sh** is added to cigarettes and alcohol too. For me 2 small healthy beers a day and some cannabis is effective. I had 2 stouts last night, so good for you! Really! Only a few quality beers get my approval of not just 'safe' but 'good for you'.

Transitioning to something else that is healthy may be a way to do it


I love stouts, I had a couple oatmeal stouts last night as well.

so quite an interesting drug opium is....so many different chemicals in there.

i should like to try it sometime...and will indeed some day.

in a more relevant topic to this thread...I am addicted to trying new substances...and I have been addicted to many different substances. I've tried 30+ substances with varying effects from stimulants, depressants, dissociatives, dilleriants, and psychadelics.

I am no longer as likely to get addicted to things as i would when I was younger, but I cannot stop persuing to try new substances when the opportunity arrises.


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17 May 2011, 6:41 pm

Surfman wrote:
From my understanding a light to moderate pure opium addiction is one of the least harmful addictions. Frequently the old guys to hang out in opium dens live till 90

So much unhealthy sh** is added to cigarettes and alcohol too. For me 2 small healthy beers a day and some cannabis is effective. I had 2 stouts last night, so good for you! Really! Only a few quality beers get my approval of not just 'safe' but 'good for you'.

Transitioning to something else that is healthy may be a way to do it


I wouldn't bat an eyelid at that, I have no problems with alcohol or cannabis, they're both pretty safe if used responsably, but this codeine, it's evil.

They're so fast to demonise cannabis, but who has it killed? Not trying to start a debate here, so don't lol, I'm just saying these friggen over the counter codeine and crap tablets kill people, cannabis as far as I know, doesn't!

I am frigged off at the MHRA (medicines and health regulatory authority), they spend more time phaffing over herbal medicine and trying to put herbalists & homeopaths out of business, but drugs like Nurofen Plus and Solphadine Max (my poisons of choice) are the creeping death right under their noses.



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17 May 2011, 6:57 pm

I was prescribed Clonazepam for anxiety several years ago and ended up abusing it. I was taking 10-15 times my prescribed dose in order to get the sedating effect. I was mixing it with alcohol at the same time, and I could have accidentally overdosed and killed myself. I'm glad I didn't. I still have to watch myself, because if I ever got my hands on the pills again I could end up right back there.

I went to AA. Scary place for a suspected aspie, but I can stand it for short periods and that's how I managed to get off of substances and into school.


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17 May 2011, 7:00 pm

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It's not the Codeine that kills people, it's the other crap added to PREVENT abuse! Plain Codeine is addictive yes, but it is only dangerous in very high doses, the doses these addicts take are so dangerous because of the paracetamol and ibuprofen, not so much the codeine, but the other stuff.


i wasnt going to mention this (since it sounds like you might be about to get a safe prescription) but if people are getting ill i suppose its better overall that the info is out there...

afaik codeine addicts generally buy co-codamol and then use a filtration technique to remove most of the paracetamol. its called CWE cold water extraction and has something to do with a freezer and some cloth.

I wasnt going to mention this because it allows people to take increasingly larger doses of codeine compared to small fixed amount your probably used to from the OTC tablets. I saw a post recently from someone who was panicking because they just had a glassful and thought it tasted too much like paracetamol. If it is possible to get it wrong, obviously your vital organs are in serious trouble! Hopefully that will put you off doing it & just stick with the script.



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17 May 2011, 7:37 pm

I had a short codeine addiction but had to stop because the pain is was supposed to be easing was becoming less harder to treat. And that pain is the most excruciating pain I've ever had and continue to have.
I liked being on Ritalin too but I think what went wrong was that I didn't know how to correctly use it. But now I use it more responsively.


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17 May 2011, 9:11 pm

miserylovescompany wrote:
Surfman wrote:
I would be woried about the harmful toxic affects of these drugs. Ideally a safe option that works is a good option.


Or better still life without drugs, though you may need some support.


I am worried, which is why I have got myself some help, it makes me so angry though that it's available over the counter. I know for sure when my addiction is under control, I'm going to stir some hornets nests up round town, because there must be hundreds, thousands addicted to this sh+t.

I know there is from reading online, it has killed people too sadly :( see here: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... en-plus.do

I am on about 36 per day, only a few down from her dose :?

It's not the Codeine that kills people, it's the other crap added to PREVENT abuse! Plain Codeine is addictive yes, but it is only dangerous in very high doses, the doses these addicts take are so dangerous because of the paracetamol and ibuprofen, not so much the codeine, but the other stuff.


Yeah I think it is pretty messed up that they add harmful ingredients to drugs like codeine to 'prevent abuse' looks to me like its more to put the drug abuser at risk of further health problems. How does making something one might abuse more 'toxic' help them not abuse it......especially if it becomes an addiction.



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18 May 2011, 1:13 am

It's not actually that messed up. They are "diluting" it, basically, with weaker painkillers that are harmful only in huge doses, and only when abused by people who already have a high tolerance to codeine. Lowering the dose by adding other non-codeine painkillers reduces the number of new addictions.

In any case, Misery, good luck tapering off the codeine. I remember getting off Lexapro--an antidepressant, don't know the generic name--and the doctor telling me it should take about five days. I had ridiculous withdrawal symptoms and eventually took matters into my own hands and lengthened the tapering-off period to a full month. That worked. I don't know if your case will be similar, but it seems like it might be an idea for you--schedule your doses to gradually decrease so you can get off slowly, and you can prevent withdrawal symptoms altogether.

BTW--if you really just like the pills themselves, you could always switch to gum or breath mints instead. (Sugar-free, to prevent tooth decay.) You could safely swallow some kinds of breath mints whole... It might seem silly, but hey, whatever works.


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18 May 2011, 1:55 am

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It's not actually that messed up. They are "diluting" it, basically, with weaker painkillers that are harmful only in huge doses, and only when abused by people who already have a high tolerance to codeine. Lowering the dose by adding other non-codeine painkillers reduces the number of new addictions.

In any case, Misery, good luck tapering off the codeine. I remember getting off Lexapro--an antidepressant, don't know the generic name--and the doctor telling me it should take about five days. I had ridiculous withdrawal symptoms and eventually took matters into my own hands and lengthened the tapering-off period to a full month. That worked. I don't know if your case will be similar, but it seems like it might be an idea for you--schedule your doses to gradually decrease so you can get off slowly, and you can prevent withdrawal symptoms altogether.

BTW--if you really just like the pills themselves, you could always switch to gum or breath mints instead. (Sugar-free, to prevent tooth decay.) You could safely swallow some kinds of breath mints whole... It might seem silly, but hey, whatever works.


They are not diluting it......they are purposely making it more harmful, adding tylenol or other pain reliever ingredieants that cause harm to internal organs is a pretty messed up way to 'dilute' something.