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25 May 2011, 12:52 am

Since many people says he is dark and hard for reading, i see his expression like celebration of love and totally understand him. Evan i found self in his book Idiot, actually that man people have seen like an idiot, but he was an smart aspie.



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25 May 2011, 6:41 am

i thought he was hard to read because a) translation from russian b) written a while ago and language gradually changes over time.

Ive not read 'the idiot' yet, so i dont know but i think its often a mark of a profound writer where many diverse readers are able to identify parts of themselves in a character, and he certainly had that talent. Everyone reads their own version of a novel, the writer just provides a template.



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25 May 2011, 11:31 am

I always thought that 'The Idiot' was supposed to be an ironic title. Prince Myshkin is supposed to be some sort of truly good person (Christian?), however in contrast to the society at the time he appears naive and idiotic. For readability I'd suggest translations by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky, I've tried a couple of versions of Crime & Punishment and they wrote the most 'involving' version. I can see where your coming from with the Aspie traits, taking things literally we can probably appear quite naive (not to mention the obliviousness to social cues). I've heard aspies can be quite honest as well, from a purely practical point I find lying quite difficult (too much planning), so subjectively that sounds true. As a side note, if you like psychological novels you should try anything by Stefan Zweig, great author.



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25 May 2011, 1:18 pm

I suppose "Notes from Underground" is a long short story or a novella . . I found it deeply moving.



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25 May 2011, 2:39 pm

arko5 wrote:
For readability I'd suggest translations by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky, I've tried a couple of versions of Crime & Punishment and they wrote the most 'involving' version. .


I read their brothers karamazov after briefly researching on the net to see whose translation was the most popular. I was expecting it to be a lot harder to 'work through' on the rep. of old russian books and as my concentration can be very poor, but i too found it very readable.



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25 May 2011, 10:53 pm

arko5 wrote:
As a side note, if you like psychological novels you should try anything by Stefan Zweig, great author.

I have never read Zweig, i going to ask in city library, if they have Macedonian translation.



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25 May 2011, 10:58 pm

I could see it, but there's no use in posthumously "diagnosing" him now.



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26 May 2011, 3:47 am

jmnixon95 wrote:
I could see it, but there's no use in posthumously "diagnosing" him now.


For me very useful. If i must tell that i have asperger, people where i live, most of them do not tolerate differences, i 've read for asperger before 1 month ago, and no one know here what is that asperger, people can think that is something scary, that i can become abusive,but when i say that was Einstein, Mozart, Dostoevsky, (beside very low percentage of gifted asperger people, maybe i think is near same with nt people), people accept my difference in better way.



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26 May 2011, 5:12 am

My interpretation of the main character Prince from "The Idiot" is that his being taken out of society as a child due to his illness and while he was away it seemed he socialized mainly with younger children could mostly explain why he was naive and "simple" to the adults he came across. He's partly based on Dostoevsky because of his epileptic condition but I don't know if the two are similar otherwise. I read in reviews of the book Prince is sort of meant as a symbol of a Christ-like figure. I sort of take him and some other characters in the book more as symbolic of concepts. The dialogue and events seems too fanciful and unrealistically disjointed to take at face value.



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26 May 2011, 7:12 am

BraveMurderDay wrote:
My interpretation of the main character Prince from "The Idiot" is that his being taken out of society as a child due to his illness and while he was away it seemed he socialized mainly with younger children could mostly explain why he was naive and "simple" to the adults he came across. He's partly based on Dostoevsky because of his epileptic condition but I don't know if the two are similar otherwise. I read in reviews of the book Prince is sort of meant as a symbol of a Christ-like figure. I sort of take him and some other characters in the book more as symbolic of concepts. The dialogue and events seems too fanciful and unrealistically disjointed to take at face value.

I think one nt person can adopt in every society, they have in genes that, but for an aspie who long period have learned adopt in society where he lives and beside it he is still near borders, he will be lost is different society. That happened with Prince. I find very real conversations in Idiot, becuase.. have happened me, more often when i was young, even happened in one simply conversation, with mother of one friend of my son, she said me: you are the most naive person, i have never met naive like you... and problem was i asked her where she found my naivety, she couldn't explain me it.



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26 May 2011, 3:59 pm

I kind of expect people to be good in the final analysis, and sometimes they're just not.

I seem to have less wall between myself and a 'stranger'---that actually proved advantageous in sales, political activism, and working for H&R Block (bank potentially takes entire refund, yeah really, not an ethical company, but can be with me working there and informing the client)

I'm trying to take it more in medium steps as I get to know a person.