The Differences between Aspie and NT Conversation

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10 Jun 2011, 7:42 pm

I came accross an interesting blog here - http://life-with-aspergers.blogspot.com/2009/01/differences-between-aspie-and-nt.html

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A little while ago, I was asked to explain what the main differences were between aspie and NT Communication, specifically in terms of what each party receives. We're always being told that Aspies miss non-verbal cues and that they're distracted but do aspies actually pick up more or less elements in conversation?

Here are a couple of lists for comparison based on a normal office desk conversation.

What the NT Gets
- Voice
- Facial Expression
- Verbal Tone
- Body Language and Posture
- What the person is wearing
- Any sufficiently loud or disruptive intrusions

What the Aspie Gets
- The Voice
- Non-verbals in a single swoop (discussed below)
- The books on the bookshelf behind the talker
- Other people in the room
- The Flashing lights on their hard drive
- Traffic outside the office
- Nice (Groovy) Patterns on the person's tie
- The Logo on their glasses
- Scuff marks on their shoes
- The Screen Saver on the PC behind them.

It's my belief that aspies generally pick up much more of the surroundings regardless of whether or not it is relevant to the conversation. In fact, I don't believe that this is limited to conversation. I have also noticed it while driving. When I am in the car, regardless of whether or not I am a passenger or a driver, I seem to notice much more of the surroundings than my NT wife. Strangely enough, I will pick up all kinds of interesting but irrelevant details which she will miss even though she is looking out of the window and directly at them.

Picking Up Non-Verbals in a Single Swoop
The question remains as to whether or not aspies get non-verbal cues in conversations. I think that we do actually pick them up but that we are unable to interpret them in a timely fashion.

It's funny but when I am in the conversation, I usually find that I am struggling to keep up just with the words and that I don't have a great deal of time to think about anything other than what has been said. It's only when I am going over the conversation back in my office or writing minutes for it or thinking about it on the way home, that I start to go over all of the non-verbal cues. Sometimes it's then that I realise the person wasn't really interested in what I have to say or that they seemed to have trouble accepting an idea. It is far too late for this new information to have any bearing on the conversation at this point but I will often take that feedback on board an attempt to not discuss the same subjects or the same amount of detail with that person again. One thing that I don't often do however is go back to the person with my new interpretations and attempt to redo the conversation. As far as I can tell, if something wasn't well received once, it's not a good idea to attempt a follow up. In a sense, we are getting non-verbal cues unfortunately however we are not able to process them in time to make use of them during conversation. This leads outsiders to believe that we are missing them entirely.

Strangely though, one thing that I don't often get (and this could be a male thing rather than an aspie thing) is clothes. Unless someone is wearing an interesting pattern, I'll usually have absolutely no idea what they were wearing. It's like my mind drops that as "irrelevant".


The blog is a few years old so you may have come across it. The blog mirrors my experience very closely. I could almost have written it myself.

Since realising I have AS, I have been studying up on body language. I understand the theory. Given time I can interpret body language in line with the written guidance. My studies have been wasted, because I am still totally lost in real situations. The whole body language thing goes totally over my head in real time. It’s like being blind. I also miss what, to most people, are really obvious signs when they are out of context. Has anybody got any hints on how to deal with/work around this problem?



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10 Jun 2011, 8:54 pm

I spot mannerism and speech patterns patterns.



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10 Jun 2011, 8:58 pm

The non-verbal in a single swoop is true for me to. There is so much going on that I see it but it don't register with me.

I will add what I get from conversation is factual information over getting to know a person more. That's what I seek and take home with me.


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10 Jun 2011, 11:35 pm

NTs talk like Valley Girls and Aspies speak in a dignified manner.


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10 Jun 2011, 11:48 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
NTs talk like Valley Girls and Aspies speak in a dignified manner.

Yup. NT's speak like the cast of Jersey Shore. Or worse "ghetto" speak.



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11 Jun 2011, 1:07 am

pensieve wrote:
The non-verbal in a single swoop is true for me to. There is so much going on that I see it but it don't register with me.


Yeah. That's sensory overload - not necessarily a meltdown, but an inability to process all the sensations at the moment they happen. Brooding over past conversations, and obsessing (repeatedly rehearsing) future conversations, is a common experience, I think. Too much is going on during the actual conversation to process it all, so we may do some processing beforehand (if we are expecting it) and some afterwards.



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11 Jun 2011, 1:20 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
NTs talk like Valley Girls and Aspies speak in a dignified manner.


Like, totally. For sure. It's tubular, etc.



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11 Jun 2011, 1:50 am

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11 Jun 2011, 11:05 am

Verdandi wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
NTs talk like Valley Girls and Aspies speak in a dignified manner.


Like, totally. For sure. It's tubular, etc.

She was like "why do people like use the word like so much?" and he was like "yea, like I don't know, like maybe they just like to talk like that".



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11 Jun 2011, 11:17 am

Could the rehearsing conversations beforehand be a social anxiety issue, or could the anxiety arise from the fact that someone knows that he has to rehearse them beforehand to be able to execute them properly?



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11 Jun 2011, 4:42 pm

Supernova008 wrote:
Could the rehearsing conversations beforehand be a social anxiety issue, or could the anxiety arise from the fact that someone knows that he has to rehearse them beforehand to be able to execute them properly?

I am not sure if rehearsing a conversation is social anxiety, I think it can be anxiety in general. But to some extend it is normal, all people do it. It can be useful, but when it becomes an obsession and all minor details are "rehearsed" then I think it is a sign of anxiety. In my case I do notice the anxiety when not rehearsing them, but that seems to me to be more of an OCD issue. In OCD, not giving into a compulsion to do something, can cause growing anxiety. Do you feel like there is a compulsion to rehearse?



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11 Jun 2011, 8:34 pm

Wow! - yes that blog fits me VERY well.

Those lists really surprise me - because the second one is of course me all over - but I'm surprised at the differences between that list and the "normal" one!! That's as much of a revelation to me as the energy bars comic by Greenturtle.


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11 Jun 2011, 8:40 pm

Supernova008 wrote:
Could the rehearsing conversations beforehand be a social anxiety issue, or could the anxiety arise from the fact that someone knows that he has to rehearse them beforehand to be able to execute them properly?


It's not social anxiety for me. It's "being able to clearly express myself to other people." Anxiety doesn't play into it.



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11 Jun 2011, 10:35 pm

That blog is a beautiful post that is right on target. This sounds exactly like the way that I function too.



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11 Jun 2011, 10:49 pm

My anxiety thwarts my ability to express. I have been told I tense up and then get overwhelmed and gasp to speak if its a stranger. Lol that sounds bad but if the person I am meeting is going to be deciding my future like say a professor or something I often panic. And then there are times when I can freely express myself. I have been okay since my medication



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12 Jun 2011, 1:29 am

I find NT conversation jarring. NT's tend not to go into any topic at any depth and often change the topic of conversation too abruptly. Aspies usually tolerate depth and can discuss a single subject for hours on end.