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03 Sep 2006, 10:56 am

I have way too many ideas concerning many different fields. I might have a good plot idea for a movie, then a new syntatic structure for a programming language, then a new video game idea, the list goes on and on! How can this stop?



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03 Sep 2006, 11:26 am

Combine them all. Create a nice little fusion, take out bits and pieces, then destroy the rest. Or you can just demand that you start one, then try to focus on it above all else.


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03 Sep 2006, 1:12 pm

Inattentive ADD (ADHD-I)

Take a powerfull cns selective drug like dextroamphetamine.

That will stop most the ideas popping into your head and allow you to focus and get a few of them done.



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03 Sep 2006, 2:00 pm

That sounds good more than negative, unless they stop you from concentrating. Maybe you could write a brief description of each in a notebook until you can get to doing them.



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05 Sep 2006, 3:44 pm

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Take a powerfull cns selective drug like dextroamphetamine.


Taking pharmaceuticals is never a solution only a last resort stopgap.

If its not causing you severe problems then dont worry about it maybe practice your concentration skills.

Im sure many of you here have met those who take a pill for everything that ails them.. add in the pills they have to take to fix the side effects and interaction effects and theyre taking a dozen pills a day.. and they still feel horrible (worse than without any medicine a lot of the time).

But I guess its kind of a western tradition to just look it up in a book then prescribe whatever drug is listed in the prescription field to combat the symptoms (rather than the cause) and consider the job done.

So long as they can get you to pay them a "tax" for the rest of your life, why on earth would they want to cure you? Unless your buying pills from them they wont make a dime.


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05 Sep 2006, 6:45 pm

Try to have a notebook always at hand and write down whatever idea you have, even the stupid ones. Then once a week or so read your entire notebook and try to combine your ideas into something usefull and feasible. This is what I was doing, but then I got too bussy and couldn't do it anymore.


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05 Sep 2006, 8:17 pm

I so understand this this is the( well 1/2 of the exact reason ) I have so much trouble sleeping I have tried many many pills and off the wall reamedies good luck with it and keep several notebooks handy.


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06 Sep 2006, 11:46 am

Fraya wrote:
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Take a powerfull cns selective drug like dextroamphetamine.


Taking pharmaceuticals is never a solution only a last resort stopgap.



The world is chemistry and noithing else.

Pharmaceuticals are chemistry.

I read an ADHD forum site many adults leading non-producive lives have been greatly
helped by stimulant medications. Also I have studied the non-stimulant solutions to
ADHD and they all have a very low treatment rate. Stimulant are about 80% rate of
sucess in treating ADHD the next best thing has less than 10% chance.

Do not take my word on anything. I say you have ADHD-I (decide for yourself).
Stimulants are the only option if you want to treat it(again do your on homework
if you find a better option you will make millions of dollars with that idea!! !! !! !! !!)



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06 Sep 2006, 11:52 am

So the solution to ADHD is to administer the strongest sedative you can find and keep them on it the rest of their life?

Thats fine if you want to never be able to cope with your problems without taking drugs and be forcibly changed into someone your not.

If your ok with that then sure knock yourself out.

Maybe I set too high standards for myself and for others but I find that the lazy way out.


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06 Sep 2006, 12:04 pm

Fraya wrote:
So the solution to ADHD is to administer the strongest sedative you can find and keep them on it the rest of their life?

Thats fine if you want to never be able to cope with your problems without taking drugs and be forcibly changed into someone your not.

If your ok with that then sure knock yourself out.

Maybe I set too high standards for myself and for others but I find that the lazy way out.


Well stimulants != sedatives. Many ADHD people due get a calmming effect from stimulants if they also have hyperactivity.

Your right about "changed into someone your not". With ADHD-I a person will spend
much of their time daydreaming coming up with many creative ideas. And they will be
lucky to get any of those ideas beyond a daydream or a notebook entry(I have long
list of ideas). That will be who you are. Taking a stimulant will suppress much of that
daydreaming(creativity) and you will focus on the real world more. You will have less
creativite spark (while on meds) but the payoff is you will get ideas that were just on
paper into a prototype stage! Getting a few ideas completed will build your ego, and
wallet.

Well are people depressed because of laziness? Or people ASD because of laziness?
Do people have high blood pressure because laziness?

As far as taking the rest of you life : 90% of Americans take caffiene ever day. It
can treat ADHD though at the effective dose it is very dangerous(not CNS selective
enough), use of nicotine is very high in those with ADHD. So people are using every
day of their lives anyway.



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06 Sep 2006, 12:08 pm

i have way to many ideas, aswell but i think it has more to do with make believing.



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06 Sep 2006, 12:09 pm

I have a book idea that I've been "cooking" for five years. I also have two screenplay ideas and maybe a dozen short story ideas, and I've had a few short film ideas, all of which I tell myself I will write sometime. I wrote down one of the short film ideas (super short!) but didn't manage to get it made. I've managed to actually get a few short stories written which turned out longer than I expected. I've also vented a little bit by writing super short stories that don't require a really involved plot with a complicated structure. They're sort of slices of life about characters that interest me. That has helped.

I'm about to quit my job to focus on this novel, but now I'm wondering if that's really the problem.
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06 Sep 2006, 12:18 pm

The conditions may not be caused by laziness but correcting them by drugging yourself up instead of doing the work is lazy.

Im not one of those quacks who think everythings fixable with freudian psychology but not everything requires modifying your body chemistry with artificial compounds either.


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06 Sep 2006, 12:44 pm

Fraya wrote:
The conditions may not be caused by laziness but correcting them by drugging yourself up instead of doing the work is lazy.

Im not one of those quacks who think everythings fixable with freudian psychology but not everything requires modifying your body chemistry with artificial compounds either.


Well the key point is there just is not a non-drug solution to ADHD. It is thought
Leonardo divini had ADHD because of his creative genius. He came up with alot more
ideas than workable solutions. He is known for his paintings but he completed very
few!

No most of us are not Leonardo Divini. We will have less good ideas and get even fewwer
done. The real danger is most will get maybe close to none done. Stimulants can allow
those people to get something done. In todays worlds things done are worth a
million times just ideas.

Myself I feel there is no such thing as laziness . People do not choose to fail.


Back to a point mentioned " drugs treating symptoms and not the cause". It seems
stimulants may infact be treating the cause. There is an underactivity of dopamine in
the brain in certain locations with detectectable EEG patterns very high in theta
(daydreaming) in those areas. Given a stimulant such as dexedrine and those areas
get more active and the EEG reads more beta (focus). You guest it one of the non
drug treatment is to used brain biofeedback to train your brain to produce more beta.
These treatments cost $100 each and perhaps 50 sessions. But the science is very
shakey at best reports from real users on ADHD forum site says its worthless.



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06 Sep 2006, 1:42 pm

Thats funny I used to have ADHD I dont take stimulants Im fine.. if anything I need to concentrate less I cant drive now because I get fixated on one aspect.


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06 Sep 2006, 2:05 pm

Fraya wrote:
Thats funny I used to have ADHD I dont take stimulants Im fine.. if anything I need to concentrate less I cant drive now because I get fixated on one aspect.


The first poster sounds like he has classic inattentive ADD he asked for help. My opinion is the best option is a stimulant namely dextroamphetamine controlled released formula.

The second best option if stimulants are not available in his country is try an
antidepressant such as wellbutrin, reboxetine, etc

The third option is OTC drugs in high doses (they will have dangerous cardiovascular
side effects, caffeine, nicotine, ephedrine, pseudoephedrine)

If he wants a non-drug solution try fish oil with a high ratio of EPA to DHA (7:1).
But do not expect alot.

The fact he posted tells me he feels the situation needs major help. I told him what the
help is. Other have told him to write ideas down in a notebook. Now the ball is in your
court give productive non-drug addvice.